Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by echo » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:09 pm

rooster wrote:I say sell it only in a bundled package with a good pulse-oximeter and plenty of instructions and warnings.
..and a discount coupon for your nearest mortuary.....
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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by ractar28 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:15 pm

johnnygoodman wrote:Howdy All,

The tribe has spoken. Puresleep is off the island.
Here's why I disagree. While I think they may have done some "shilling" on here, they offer a money-back guarantee, which is more than any of these SOB mask manufacturers do. So, IF they stand behind their product, whether you like it or not, seems better than tossing out $100 for a mask and having no recourse.

Let's go a completely different direction for JUST A SECOND. It looks like it might work as a "dental tray" for teeth bleaching products. Would you carry teeth bleaching products if they were good quality and fairly priced? If so, then not carrying a dental device such as Puresleep on the basis that it's "cpap.com", seems unreasonable. If, on the other hand, you want to carry ONLY devices to treat sleep apnea or supporting products for sleep apnea products (such as hose covers, etc), then dismissing it based upon "not sleep apnea-oriented" is quite reasonable.

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by congahands » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:27 pm

$60 seems a little pricey.

You can get football mouthguards for $1 each.

Melt a couple together(shouldn't be too tough), do the boil and bite, and make your own.

If it works then you can pay them $60 if you feel like youve violated there intellectuall property rights.

Just a thought........

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by roster » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:40 pm

echo wrote:
rooster wrote:I say sell it only in a bundled package with a good pulse-oximeter and plenty of instructions and warnings.
..and a discount coupon for your nearest mortuary.....
Good point about the coupon, Echo. My wife won't spend one dime without a coupon. No doubt she will pay my burial costs with a coupon and feel quite smug about it.
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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by Guest » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:26 pm

LOL what scientific research goes on here....

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by -SWS » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:25 am

Guest wrote:LOL what scientific research goes on here....
You must be confused. This is a marketplace of opinions. The onus for scientific research rests with the manufacturer of the dental appliance... not the target market.

Had the manufacturer performed credible scientific research and made that available to the public, opinions here would have gladly been formulated with that credible scientific evidence in mind.

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by roster » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:33 am

Guest wrote:LOL what scientific research goes on here....
Guest shill having attack of sour grapes?
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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by marshaeb » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:06 am

This has turned into a very interesting topic and, I think, an important one. Thanks, Johnny!
ractar28 wrote:It looks like it might work as a "dental tray" for teeth bleaching products.
You're right, it does, Ractar. It looks a lot like my ortho retainer, too. This makes it different from either, though:
The principle of PureSleep is simple: it moves your lower jaw forward, opening the passageway enough so that air moves through unobstructed.
That's from the PureSleep link that Johnny gave us. My first thought was: anything that moves the jaw forward every night needs to be overseen by someone with a degree in dentistry. I still think that, but the more important issues never even occurred to me until I started reading some articles. The following quote is from http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-r ... -67256.php Granted, it was written by a dentist (http://www.free-press-release.com/news/ ... 81693.html) whose livelihood comes from offering an alternative to xpap therapy. However, I think he makes valid points, some of which follow (underscored highlighting is mine):
Pure Sleep is advertising on television commercials that it is FDA approved for treating simple snoring and that it works the same as oral sleep apnea treatment appliances. Research in dental sleep medicine has shown that oral appliances are very effective in treating snoring and sleep apnea. Pure sleep is not designed for treating sleep apnea but for simple snoring.

Does the Pure Sleep appliance work? It probably will be very effective for many patients with simple snoring but should never be used to replace CPAP treatment without follow-up sleep tests. It will probably produce TMJ problems for many patients. The American Academy of Sleep Medicine recommends that dentists treating sleep apnea with oral appliances have special training in treating TMJ disorders. Patient with additional risk factors should absolutely have medical consultation prior to using a pure sleep appliance. A partial listing of medical conditions that my suggest sleep apnea include: Hypertension (high blood pressure), diabetes, fibromyalgia, gastric reflex, coronary artery disease, heart disease, lung disease, Memory problems, thyroid problems, daytime sleepiness, morning headache, and TMJ disorders including headache, earache, joint clicking or popping, eye pain, sinus pain and neck pain.

The real question is, if a patient with sleep apnea uses a Pure Sleep appliance that quiets the snoring but does not treat their sleep apnea and an innocent child is then killed in a motor vehicle accident, who is responsible? The FDA for approving the appliance without insisting on appropriate warnings, the patient who used the appliance without realizing the risks or the company who supplies the appliance to the public? The paperwork explains to the patient that the appliance is for treating snoring and not for treating sleep apnea. How does the patient know if they have sleep apnea or just snoring? There are several pages of instructions that are designed to let the company claim that patients were informed that the appliance is only meant for simple snoring but research has shown that these type of warnings are rarely read or heeded by the public. Patients assume if they are not having symptoms of tiredness that they do not have apnea. This is a dangerous assumption. A recent study presented to the American Thoracic Society showed a 300% increase in motor vehicle accidents involving serious physical injury in patients with mild sleep apnea and no symptoms of excessive daytime sleepiness.
The following quotes (with my underscored highlighting) are from this article: http://www.reference.com/browse/snore
Specially made dental appliances called mandibular advancement splints, which advance the lower jaw slightly, and thereby pull the tongue forward, are a common mode of treatment for snoring. Typically, a dentist specializing in sleep apnea dentistry is consulted. Such appliances have been proven to be effective in reducing snoring and sleep apnea in cases where the apnea is mild to moderate. Mandibular advancement splints are often tolerated much better than CPAP machines. Possible but rare side effects include gradual movement of the teeth, Temporomandibular joint disorder, excess salivation and gum irritation.

Over-the-counter mandibular advancement splints provide the same benefits if fitted correctly. They are usually made from an EVA polymer and are similar in appearance to protective mouth-guards worn for sports. One disadvantage of the cheaper devices compared to the professionally fitted devices is the difficulty in setting up the correct jaw position. An over-advanced jaw results in jaw joint pain, whilst an under-advanced jaw produces no therapeutic effect.

Devices such as nose clips can dilate the nostrils and other devices can alter jaw mechanics to keep the jaw in an optimum position. Different aids and practices may work for different people. According to a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal, playing the didgeridoo can also help, as it increases muscle usage in the throat . However, snoring is a recognized medical problem and people who snore should always seek professional medical advice before relying on techniques which may mask symptoms (i.e. snoring) but not treat the underlying condition.
Johnny, I think you've made the right decision to forget about selling PureSleep. There are too many possible problems with it, including potentially legal ones. It looks like you'd be on much firmer ground by selling didgeridoos!!!


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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by fortomorrow » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:54 pm

rud3dog wrote:I don't believe the device is usable anymore, but would be curious to know if and how it would work along with my cpap machine?
I doubt it would fit your mouth anymore. I bet your teeth have shifted a lot in the past 12 years!
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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by ginagarydoyle@comcast.net » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:34 pm

Puresleep works!!!!!!! We were on the verge of seperate bedrooms at opposite ends of the house due to snoring but, purchased pure sleep mouthpiece and no more snoring!!! The very first night it began to work and continues to work on a nightly basis. This is the first product we have ever purchased and had no regrets what so ever. The price is right and in fact, could easily be worth much more than what is charged it works so well. We don't endorse many products but, we highly reccomend and endorse this one. Buy it, you won't regret it..... :

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by -SWS » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:43 pm

We can tell it's an excellent product by the sheer number of wildly enthusiastic testimonials from unregistered posters. We're well aware that disproportionate numbers of wildly happy testimonials from unregistered posters would never happen unless the product happened to deserve all that wild testimony.

The inescapable conclusion: that product must be REALLY darn good! Thank you for so unbiasedly bringing this to our attention!

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by rested gal » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:48 pm

Snoring is a huge red flag for possible Obstructive Sleep Apnea.

Even if you reduce or eliminate audible snoring with a device like that, you have not necessarily opened the airway enough to breathe sufficiently well during the relaxation of sleep. A person can still have serious OSA even without snoring.

Foolish is the "snorer" who relies on one of these things without having a sleep study WITH the device in place to see what's really going on.

At the very least, an overnight recording pulse oximeter test should be done with the device in place to see if there are drops in O2.
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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by Songbird » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:55 pm

Y'know, -SWS, you have a real gift for over-the-top, oh-so-polite, slip-the-stiletto-in-while-they're-not-looking sarcasm. Well said!

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by -SWS » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:59 pm

Agreed, Laura. Those prolific anonymous testimonials just crack me up...

My post above was tongue-in-cheek, on the off chance someone couldn't tell.

Thanks for that very polite complement about my politeness, Marsha! I only wear shoes with flat rubber soles, though...

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Re: Call For Feedback: Puresleep.com Dental Device

Post by deerslayer » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:35 am

i didn't see anything about sizing.. you mean this is a one size fits all ? that seems like a leap of faith considering my box full of masks that never made it to the first string team . ...Thanks for valuing our humble opinions John & for this very tolerant forum

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