Cold/Cool versus Warm air from CPAP humidifier

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:16 am

Langevloei wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:58 pm
Yes and this is how.

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And your idea wouldn't work.

You completely neglected to supply an air intake home into the fridge. So this would effectively be like covering the air intake hole on your CPAP. If no air can come in, then no air can go out.

Even *if* you had considered to provide air intake holes, it still wouldn't work. The venting (based on ResMed n20, but most masks are comparable) at 14cm of pressure is 40 L/M. This means the entire air content of your mini fridge is completely cycled every minute. New replacement air would simply not have enough time and contact with the refrigerated surfaces to cool down.

After turning on your monstrosity, one would feel some cool air for about a minute, then it would be close to room temperature. You'd end up warming up the bedroom, waste electricity and listen to the refrigerator hum all night.

You don't know what you're talking about and following your advice will just be a waste of a couple hundred for a ruined mini fridge.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:24 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:16 am
The venting (based on ResMed n20, but most masks are comparable) at 14cm of pressure is 20 L/M. This means the entire air content of your mini fridge is completely cycled every minute. New replacement air would simply not have enough time and contact with the refrigerated surfaces to cool down.

Minor correction. at 14cm pressure, the vent rate is 40liter/minute, or 1.41 cubic feet (which is what those little fridges are measured in)
Carry on,

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:16 am
Open turning on your monstrosity, one would feel some cool air for about a minute, then, it would be close to room temperature. You'd end up warming up the bedroom, waste electricity and listen to the refrigerator hum all night.

You don't know what you're talking about and following your advice will just be a waste of a couple hundred fro a mini fridge.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am

palerider wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:24 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:16 am
The venting (based on ResMed n20, but most masks are comparable) at 14cm of pressure is 20 L/M. This means the entire air content of your mini fridge is completely cycled every minute. New replacement air would simply not have enough time and contact with the refrigerated surfaces to cool down.
Minor correction. at 14cm pressure, the vent rate is 40liter/minute, or 1.41 cubic feet (which is what those little fridges are measured in)
Carry on,

Yup, not sure how I missed that one.

Fixed original post. As well as some other typos/auto corrects. That post was so butchered you could have just responded with "go home you're drunk".

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:37 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am
. . .
"go home you're drunk".

Exactly my thought.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:21 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am
Yup, not sure how I missed that one.

Fixed original post. As well as some other typos/auto corrects. That post was so butchered you could have just responded with "go home you're drunk".

But, you were having so much fun.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:44 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:21 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am
Yup, not sure how I missed that one.

Fixed original post. As well as some other typos/auto corrects. That post was so butchered you could have just responded with "go home you're drunk".
But, you were having so much fun.

Even though it had some drunken blathering characteristics, it was still better advice than, drill some holes in a bar fridge and stick your CPAP in it.

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:25 pm

Forget sticking your cpap in the fridge, I just need to just make a bed in the freezer for the rest of the summer

this year has been intense.

https://ktar.com/story/3487577/phoenix- ... in-a-year/

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emilydog2020 · Post by **emilydog2020** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:25 am

I just started CPAP therapy on Monday night. The first problem I had was with the warm air coming thru my nose mask.
I have Pulmonary FIbrosis, and as soon as that warm air hit my nose, I felt like I was suffocating and couldn't breathe.
I have difficulty breathing enough as it is, but this experience made it all worse, and I don't see a solution for getting
cool air to come into the mask and ultimately into my nose. I don't know what to do . Do I call the Medical/Surgical supply company and tell them I need a full face mask. This nose mask isn't working for me. It's uncomfortable and I just don't like it. Does anyone else have a nose mask ?

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:33 am

Wait a bit - there are experts here re masks, humidifiers, etc. etc. (I'm not one of them), so hopefully they'll show up soon.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:51 am

emilydog2020 wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:25 am
I just started CPAP therapy on Monday night. The first problem I had was with the warm air coming thru my nose mask.
I have Pulmonary FIbrosis, and as soon as that warm air hit my nose, I felt like I was suffocating and couldn't breathe.
I have difficulty breathing enough as it is, but this experience made it all worse, and I don't see a solution for getting
cool air to come into the mask and ultimately into my nose. I don't know what to do . Do I call the Medical/Surgical supply company and tell them I need a full face mask. This nose mask isn't working for me. It's uncomfortable and I just don't like it. Does anyone else have a nose mask ?

Need a lot more information than what was provided.

I suggest starting a new topic so your issues won't get lost in this old thread.
Also please read the Sticky at the top of the Announcements section "Newbies..please read before posting".
We need which brand and model machine....what pressure the machine is starting out at....what humidity setting...if using a heated hose at what temperature setting.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:08 am

Langevloei wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:58 pm
You buy a little fridge like this one

It's good to have looneys coming here for advice, but when they start giving advice ...

Wulfman... · Post by **Wulfman...** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:52 pm

emilydog2020 wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:25 am
I just started CPAP therapy on Monday night. The first problem I had was with the warm air coming thru my nose mask.
I have Pulmonary FIbrosis, and as soon as that warm air hit my nose, I felt like I was suffocating and couldn't breathe.
I have difficulty breathing enough as it is, but this experience made it all worse, and I don't see a solution for getting
cool air to come into the mask and ultimately into my nose. I don't know what to do . Do I call the Medical/Surgical supply company and tell them I need a full face mask. This nose mask isn't working for me. It's uncomfortable and I just don't like it. Does anyone else have a nose mask ?

Turn the heat setting OFF! It's that simple. When I started, I immediately found that I didn't like the heated humidity and turned the settings off. On my machines, I'm able to eliminate the power to the heated humidifier and did so which makes it impossible for me to accidentally turn it on. Been using cool, "passover" humidification for over 15 years......year round.

And, fill out your profile so we will know what equipment you're using.

Den

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WizardofId · Post by **WizardofId** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:21 am

I know this is an old topic but I have the same issue and in my case I believe it has more to do with Co2 because all my life if I've ever gotten in a situation where I'm "rebreathing" my own exhaled air I feel as if I am smothering, cover over my head, laying to close to my wife, pillow to close to my face, etc. You can't imagine how much I have to fight panic attacks to wear the stupid face masks to go to my doctors or shopping.
After my 3rd heart attack the doctors wanted me on a cpap but my insurance said no, so after my 9th heart attack and bypass surgery they faught harder and got me approved but my sleep study was still 2 points lower than the minimum approval number.

I can't do a nasal mask so the first mask I had was one of the newest Respironics, that mask has a design flaw it inflates like a balloon when you exhale as it has no flap to alleviate pressure from the machine so that the Co2 can get out. I was constantly ripping it off in a panic every 30 minutes. The new mask is better but from time to time I have the same problem which I was now thinking it was just warm air.
Then while playing with settings to see if I could do something about it I discovered that the air was always cool IF I kept all of the tubing above my head. Because I thought it was warm air I first experimented with running the tubing to the floor as the floor is cooler by 7-10 degrees. That didn't work so I put the machine on the floor so it takes in cooler air and that didn't work either. So I experimented with running the tube through a towel insulated window that was open just enough to run the tube out and back in...
Same issue, so I got to thinking, as it turns out Co2 is heaver than air so I ran the tube out of the top window and it worked but the bed is all out of place and the tube kept pulling out. I experimented more and discovered that no matter where the machine is as long as I can keep the mask half of the tube higher than my head I have no problems.
But if any of the tube drops below my head in about 15-20 minutes I get the hot feeling air then the panic attack. So using the headboard of the bed and a homemade hooked rig I was able to keep the tubing above my head with enough slack in it so that I can move around without pulling the tubing down.
I believe that some of the heaver than air Co2 gets trapped in the tubing as you exhale if it drops below your head and slowly builds up to the point that you are breathing in a lot of Co2 and if you are as sensitive to it as I am it causes problems.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:46 am

WizardofId wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:21 am
I know this is an old topic but I have the same issue and in my case I believe it has more to do with Co2 because all my life if I've ever gotten in a situation where I'm "rebreathing" my own exhaled air I feel as if I am smothering, cover over my head, laying to close to my wife, pillow to close to my face, etc. You can't imagine how much I have to fight panic attacks to wear the stupid face masks to go to my doctors or shopping.
After my 3rd heart attack the doctors wanted me on a cpap but my insurance said no, so after my 9th heart attack and bypass surgery they faught harder and got me approved but my sleep study was still 2 points lower than the minimum approval number.

I can't do a nasal mask so the first mask I had was one of the newest Respironics, that mask has a design flaw it inflates like a balloon when you exhale as it has no flap to alleviate pressure from the machine so that the Co2 can get out. I was constantly ripping it off in a panic every 30 minutes. The new mask is better but from time to time I have the same problem which I was now thinking it was just warm air.
Then while playing with settings to see if I could do something about it I discovered that the air was always cool IF I kept all of the tubing above my head. Because I thought it was warm air I first experimented with running the tubing to the floor as the floor is cooler by 7-10 degrees. That didn't work so I put the machine on the floor so it takes in cooler air and that didn't work either. So I experimented with running the tube through a towel insulated window that was open just enough to run the tube out and back in...
Same issue, so I got to thinking, as it turns out Co2 is heaver than air so I ran the tube out of the top window and it worked but the bed is all out of place and the tube kept pulling out. I experimented more and discovered that no matter where the machine is as long as I can keep the mask half of the tube higher than my head I have no problems.
But if any of the tube drops below my head in about 15-20 minutes I get the hot feeling air then the panic attack. So using the headboard of the bed and a homemade hooked rig I was able to keep the tubing above my head with enough slack in it so that I can move around without pulling the tubing down.
I believe that some of the heaver than air Co2 gets trapped in the tubing as you exhale if it drops below your head and slowly builds up to the point that you are breathing in a lot of Co2 and if you are as sensitive to it as I am it causes problems.

This post is even more idiotic, than the one from the guy who wanted to drill holes in a mini-fridge.

ChicagoGranny · Post by **ChicagoGranny** » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:35 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:46 am
This post is even more idiotic, than the one from the guy who wanted to drill holes in a mini-fridge.

+1

I can only hope no poor soul reads his post and thinks there is something to it.

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