Thinking of trying the PILLAR PROCEDURE. Anyone tried it?

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Thinking of trying the PILLAR PROCEDURE. Anyone tried it?

Post by vdol52 » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:01 pm

I read an article about the Pillar Procedure. It is supposed to be a relatively painless way of stiffening the soft pallette, and can be done in the ENT's office in about 20 minutes.
Here is a website I found with the information.

http://www.allergy-lakemary.com

Has anyone had this procedure and how did it work for you?

Thanks


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Post by Guest » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:19 pm

Don't get over excited....

I saw this long ago..... was thinking how great a fix it would be....

long story short, meeting with my ENT, whom does do this proceedure) stated I wasn't a canidate. I had too much tissue for pillar to work:(

I would suggest you check with an ENT that does the procedure if you are intrested... but don't be shocked if he states it won't work for you.

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Post by rested gal » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:14 am

vdol, you might be interested in some of the extensive discussions by people who have had the Pillar Procedure done:

LINKS to surgery, turbinates, Pillar, TAP experiences
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Most of them were posting on the Dental Sleep Medicine forum on talkaboutsleep.com

I think the ones who were having the most success with it were also adding a dental device like the TAP II.
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Post by Snoredog » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:35 am

you should try over here, I'm sure they can talk you into wasting your money:
http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/message-b ... m.php?f=10

Then if you are wanting insurance to cover it, you would be wise getting a pre-approval letter of that coverage from your insurance ahead of time, because most insurance follows medicare rules and don't consider it a effective treatment:

http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/1_99/0004.html

Then you want to learn about the adverse reactions to it, like the stents they install in your palate extruding or coming back out.

Then with any treatment you should have a before and after PSG to confirm the therapy is actually working. That is where most of those alternative treatments begin to talk you out of having one, they don't want you to see where it doesn't work.

And there is something else you might want to research with Pillar, UPPP, MAD, MA/GA is if you have any other disorders that destroy your sleep architecture like:

-REM Sleep Behavior Disorders
-Spontaneous Arousals
-PLM or PLMD limb movements
-or other parasomnias (sleep walking, talking, sleep sex, restless leg etc.)

and one of the other rarely mentioned points is CPAP no matter the pressure no matter the effectiveness it will always force air into your lungs and system. If you are a shallow or lazy breather the machine can sometimes help you by maintaining regular breathing.

Here is just a excerpt from Aetna's policy and why they may/may not cover a particular procedure.

Note: this policy was revised/reviewed in May 2007 and should be revised anytime. Most other insurance (if you search) will have a similar policy, here is a few procedures from that policy:
Upon individual review, positive airway pressure devices are considered a medically necessary form of noninvasive ventilation for members with lung disease without OSA. Requests for these devices for noninvasive ventilation of members with lung disease are subject to medical review.

Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty (UPPP)
Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty is used to treat OSA by enlarging the oropharynx; it is considered medically necessary for OSA members who meet the criteria for CPAP (see above), but who are intolerant to CPAP. The medical records must document that the member has attempted CPAP before considering surgery.

Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty has been found to be most reliably effective in OSA members who have adequately responded to a trial of CPAP. If CPAP is unsuccessful in relieving a member's symptoms, Aetna considers this procedure experimental and investigational because this surgical approach has not been shown to be effective in non-obstructive apnea.

Uvulectomy and Laser Assisted Uvuloplasty (LAUP)
Cold knife uvulectomy and laser assisted uvuloplasty (LAUP, laser uvulectomy) are considered experimental and investigational because they have not been shown to be as effective as UPPP in the treatment of OSA. However, Aetna may consider these procedures medically necessary, upon individual case review, for members with severe OSA who have other medical conditions that make them unable to undergo UPPP and have failed a trial of CPAP or the use of an oral appliance or device. Note: According to available literature, persons who undergo uvulectomy or LAUP should have a follow-up sleep study to assess the results of the procedure.

Somnoplasty and Coblation
Aetna considers radiofrequency ablation of the tongue base, uvula or soft palate (Somnoplasty) or of the nasal passages and soft palate (Coblation) experimental and investigational as a treatment for obstructive sleep apnea because there is inadequate scientific evidence to validate the effectiveness of these procedures for this indication. Please see CPB 592 - Radiofrequency Ablation of Hypertrophied Nasal Turbinates.

The Repose System
Aetna considers the Repose system, a minimally invasive technique involving tongue base suspension, experimental and investigational. This procedure has been used for treating sleep disordered breathing (SDB) caused by tongue base collapse. No specific criteria exist regarding the diagnosis of tongue base collapse in SDB. Preliminary short-term studies of surgery targeted to alleviate tongue base collapse in SDB have shown subjective improvements in snoring and statistically significant decreases in mean RDI. However, the reported rates of success have been inconsistent among studies, and larger controlled studies with long-term follow-up are necessary to determine whether the Repose system is safe and effective.

Pediatric Obstructive Sleep Apnea Syndrome (OSAS): Tonsillectomy and Adenoidectomy
Aetna considers tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy medically necessary for treatment of obstructive sleep apnea in children. Childhood OSAS is usually associated with adenotonsillar hypertrophy, and the available medical literature suggests that the majority of cases are amenable to and will benefit from tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy.

Jaw Realignment Surgery (i.e., hyoid myotomy and suspension, mandibular osteotomy, genioglossal advancement)
Aetna considers jaw realignment surgery medically necessary for persons who fail other treatment approaches for OSA.

Although jaw realignment surgery may be considered medically necessary on an individual case basis, because of the extent of surgery, these cases may be subject to review by Aetna's Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery Unit to assess medical necessity.

Note: According to the medical literature, persons undergoing jaw realignment surgery must usually also undergo orthodontic therapy to correct changes in occlusion associated with the surgery. Orthodontic therapy (i.e., the placement of orthodontic brackets and wires) is excluded from coverage under standard Aetna medical plans regardless of medical necessity. Please check benefit plan descriptions for details. Benefits for orthodontic therapy may be available under the member's dental plan, if any.

Tracheostomy
Aetna considers tracheostomy medically necessary for those members with the most severe obstructive sleep apnea not manageable by other interventions. Requests for tracheostomy for OSA are subject to medical review.

Cardiac (Atrial) Pacing
Aetna considers cardiac (atrial) pacing for treatment of sleep apnea experimental and investigational because the effectiveness of this procedure for obstructive sleep apnea has not been established.

Injection Snoreplasty
Aetna considers injection snoreplasty, injection of a sclerosing agent into the soft palate, experimental and investigational for the treatment of obstructive sleep apnea because its effectiveness for this indication has not been established. Treatment of snoring alone, without significant OSA, is not considered medically necessary

Cautery-Assisted Palatal Stiffening Operation (CAPSO)
Aetna considers cautery-assisted palatal stiffening operation (CAPSO) experimental and investigational for the treatment of OSA because its effectiveness for this indication has not been established.

Pillar™ Palatal Implant System
Aetna considers the PillarTM Palatal Implant System (Restore Medical, Inc.) experimental and investigational for the treatment of OSA because its effectiveness for this indication has not been established.
you can be assured if its effectiveness has not been established it will be considered experimental and investigational and not covered (reason you should get pre-approval if you are expecting insurance to pay for it).

I would also suggest Googling up "Pillar Implant" and search for extrude or extrusions. Pillar came out in 2003 so it has been out some 4 years now, yet there are only 3-4 success stories you can find, you'll find the same successors on all the sleep boards.

You also probably don't want to be the first patient your doctor has ever placed them in. Lastly have your doctor SHOW you how those implants keep your tongue from falling into the back of the throat.

Again, the BEFORE and AFTER PSG is what puts proof in the pudding. If the 2nd PSG is combined with a TAP or other mandibular advancement device that doesn't tell you if the implants do anything.

Those guys on TAS would like you to believe in some posts that those implants grow together. There is no evidence your soft tissue even does that at all, it does in dense bone of your mandible such as in the case of Nobel titanium dental implants. They use a special coating of osseoconductive biomaterial called TiUnite® with its bone and soft tissue stimulating capacity. Basically the dental implants have grooves and pores in the titanium implant screw with a special coating which promotes your bone growth into those grooves and pores adding strength to the implant to support a tooth abutment. It can take 3-6 months for that integration to take place, then they take an x-ray of the implant to assure that has taken place before ever attaching an abutment.

Do your research, there is nothing that remotely indicates that is even a possibility with the palate soft tissue and those implants.

someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...

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Post by darthlucy » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:35 am

Anthem BCBS coverage policy is basically the same as what Snoredog posted for Aetna.

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Post by vdol52 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:56 am

Thanks alot for the replies. I will read everything, (might take me a while)
and then see where I am at.
I assumed that insurance would not cover it.
I'm just looking for an answer as you all are.
Thanks again,
Victoria