I'm far more worried about those other guys, that don't want us to own guns.Anonymous wrote:Are you REALLY sure about that?DreamStalker wrote:I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore
I'm getting the feeling that the government can do just about anything it wants to under the guise of "Homeland Security".
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Boiled out....
Respironics owns Encore Pro.....and they have a right to withhold it from us.
We have a right to "flip them the bird"....and buy another brand if we want to do so.
We also have a right to find someone who can read our cards and send us our data. Once the transmission and return of our data can be done via the Internet, we get what we need and none of us are doing anything illegal or immoral.
Finally, those of us who want to "pack heat" have a right to do that too.
'Nuff said.
Respironics owns Encore Pro.....and they have a right to withhold it from us.
We have a right to "flip them the bird"....and buy another brand if we want to do so.
We also have a right to find someone who can read our cards and send us our data. Once the transmission and return of our data can be done via the Internet, we get what we need and none of us are doing anything illegal or immoral.
Finally, those of us who want to "pack heat" have a right to do that too.
'Nuff said.
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Just one slight correction ... they have a right to withhold it from those who do not have a legal copy ..Gerald wrote:Boiled out....
Respironics owns Encore Pro.....and they have a right to withhold it from us.
We have a right to "flip them the bird"....and buy another brand if we want to do so.
We also have a right to find someone who can read our cards and send us our data. Once the transmission and return of our data can be done via the Internet, we get what we need and none of us are doing anything illegal or immoral.
Finally, those of us who want to "pack heat" have a right to do that too.
'Nuff said.
President-pretender, J. Biden, said "the DNC has built the largest voter fraud organization in US history". Too bad they didn’t build the smartest voter fraud organization and got caught.
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All of the posts on this thread are interesting, but some points remain.
Doctors, DME's and clinicians can't legally charge for not seeing or administering to a patient/client -- not seeing or otherwise administering to multiple patients lowers their buck intake. They want patients to be essentially dumb, or at least to remain overwhelmingly uninformed, and to thrive on them like a crutch.
Proven, be it by the (formally) untrained victims of sleep disorders, is that having the software provides them with firsthand knowledge, not the bastardized kind we get from doctors, DME's and clinicians. That knowledge helps the victims adjust or tailor their lives, lifestyles, types of machines, masks, food intake, peripherals and medications to best suit achievement of sleep disorder stabilization, if not some substantial recovery of deep REM sleep ability, while having better internal ventilation.
The software allows the victims to be proactively informed and to be an integral part of their own success in not dying so quickly. At least not so quickly from the myriad of major negative effects and complications caused by sleep disorders. Not to mention the plethora of preexisting potentially deadly ailments that are known to be exacerbated by sleep disorders.
Is that so bad? Is the bottom line buck tally of any learned medical professional or corporation more important than even the life of one sleep disorder victim?
The software, regardless of what the company claims, was pulled for multiple reasons - I would bet. First reason - To protect the incomes of the medical professionals, and to help avoid giving the individual patients any ammunition with which to potentially file malpractice claims.
It's obvious from what I have read on this board in the situations of many other OSA sufferers that the med pro's didn't always do such a good job initially.
Second reason - to lower the amount of backlash the medical professionals got from informed sleep disorder victims in querying and forcing the med pro's to help the victims achieve the best results whether by machine and mask changes, or additional sleep studies and whatever else might be necessary. Medical professionals do not like to be proven wrong. Without the software and printouts, and it allowing you to be intimately informed about your day-to-day therapy statistics, you have no ammunition to back up any suspicions or claims might make to the med pro's. And, you are left to rely solely in their intrepretations of the the data on the SmartCard as they present it to you -- likely done without you ever seeing a printed graph or any printout of your statistcs.
Third reason - The software allows machine setting changes to be made at the SmartCard level, and they don't want patients changing settings in their units.
So - All Respironics has to do is trim down the software for patient use, or make a patient version of the software that would not omit any statistics viewing, graphing or statistics compilation abilities, but would not allow machine changes from within the software.
It could be somewhat similar to what LifeScan offers for their Glucometer users to use in charting their data and understanding how life, lifestyle, food and medications changes affect their diabetes.
Yep, doing it right the first time often takes MORE time initially for which the bill is already overpriced in most cases. It's those unnecessary overpriced followups to correct what wasn't done right the first time that boosts the medical professional's incomes. And if they can't charge for the unexpected followups they surely do not want to do them with any patient.
Bottom line -- The sleep disorder victim is a victim multiple times over. And the greatest insult is that we are told by medical professionals, and corporations that make and sell the products that our lives depend upon, that we should remain uninformed about the intricacies of our own health.
Personally, I refuse to follow their... "suffer in ignorance..." mandates.
Doctors, DME's and clinicians can't legally charge for not seeing or administering to a patient/client -- not seeing or otherwise administering to multiple patients lowers their buck intake. They want patients to be essentially dumb, or at least to remain overwhelmingly uninformed, and to thrive on them like a crutch.
Proven, be it by the (formally) untrained victims of sleep disorders, is that having the software provides them with firsthand knowledge, not the bastardized kind we get from doctors, DME's and clinicians. That knowledge helps the victims adjust or tailor their lives, lifestyles, types of machines, masks, food intake, peripherals and medications to best suit achievement of sleep disorder stabilization, if not some substantial recovery of deep REM sleep ability, while having better internal ventilation.
The software allows the victims to be proactively informed and to be an integral part of their own success in not dying so quickly. At least not so quickly from the myriad of major negative effects and complications caused by sleep disorders. Not to mention the plethora of preexisting potentially deadly ailments that are known to be exacerbated by sleep disorders.
Is that so bad? Is the bottom line buck tally of any learned medical professional or corporation more important than even the life of one sleep disorder victim?
The software, regardless of what the company claims, was pulled for multiple reasons - I would bet. First reason - To protect the incomes of the medical professionals, and to help avoid giving the individual patients any ammunition with which to potentially file malpractice claims.
It's obvious from what I have read on this board in the situations of many other OSA sufferers that the med pro's didn't always do such a good job initially.
Second reason - to lower the amount of backlash the medical professionals got from informed sleep disorder victims in querying and forcing the med pro's to help the victims achieve the best results whether by machine and mask changes, or additional sleep studies and whatever else might be necessary. Medical professionals do not like to be proven wrong. Without the software and printouts, and it allowing you to be intimately informed about your day-to-day therapy statistics, you have no ammunition to back up any suspicions or claims might make to the med pro's. And, you are left to rely solely in their intrepretations of the the data on the SmartCard as they present it to you -- likely done without you ever seeing a printed graph or any printout of your statistcs.
Third reason - The software allows machine setting changes to be made at the SmartCard level, and they don't want patients changing settings in their units.
So - All Respironics has to do is trim down the software for patient use, or make a patient version of the software that would not omit any statistics viewing, graphing or statistics compilation abilities, but would not allow machine changes from within the software.
It could be somewhat similar to what LifeScan offers for their Glucometer users to use in charting their data and understanding how life, lifestyle, food and medications changes affect their diabetes.
Yep, doing it right the first time often takes MORE time initially for which the bill is already overpriced in most cases. It's those unnecessary overpriced followups to correct what wasn't done right the first time that boosts the medical professional's incomes. And if they can't charge for the unexpected followups they surely do not want to do them with any patient.
Bottom line -- The sleep disorder victim is a victim multiple times over. And the greatest insult is that we are told by medical professionals, and corporations that make and sell the products that our lives depend upon, that we should remain uninformed about the intricacies of our own health.
Personally, I refuse to follow their... "suffer in ignorance..." mandates.
