Encore Pro 1.8

mikester · Post by **mikester** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:31 am

Rationalize it however you want, but it is still piracy. I know it sucks what they have done with the software, but stealing it is not the answer.

But hey, I'm a software developer, so I've always been biased against piracy. I don't like working for free.

oceanpearl · Post by **oceanpearl** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:10 am

mikester wrote:Rationalize it however you want, but it is still piracy. I know it sucks what they have done with the software, but stealing it is not the answer.

But hey, I'm a software developer, so I've always been biased against piracy. I don't like working for free.

If as you say it's piracy, all they have to do is make it available and charge consumers for it.

mikester · Post by **mikester** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:36 am

oceanpearl wrote: If as you say it's piracy, all they have to do is make it available and charge consumers for it.

So, because they refuse to give you something you want, it's ok to steal it. And hey, it's their fault, because all they had to do was give it to you in the first place and you wouldn't have stole it.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:48 am

Mikester,
People were buying the software and paying for it. But the people who own the software refuse to sell it to willing buyers.

This is not a case of people trying to get something for free. This is a case of a medical equipment company refusing to sell the equipment users software which can be used to monitor and control the equipment.
The users were ready to pay, and the company stopped selling - except to a priviledged group Doctors and DMEs.

Maybe if Respironics were threatened by malpractice suits because of DME foolishness, or because people can't monitor their therapy, maybe then they'ld change their minds. Thought now, that they have data on the M series, its more difficult.

At this point, I think their fear of malpractice suits because of improper use is simple greater than their fear of malpractice suits because of use.

Maybe once we have a lawyer who really want's to monitor her or his therapy, things will start looking different.

O.

Roadie · Post by **Roadie** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:48 am

True the software is theirs. The owner of the code is free to sell it for whatever price they want, they are free to limit sales in any way they want. they can put it on a shelf and let it rot. They own the code, they are free to control its distribution in any way they see fit.

The information in the machine about my personal sleep patterns should be mine, and if some third party comes up with new and unique code to extract that information Respironics should not interfere.

Respironics is missing the boat here. They should release an end user version of the software that lets us see a more detailed breakdown than the little screen on the machine gives us. If they want the end user software to only display information but not make any changes to the machine and its operation that would be fine. They could sell this end user software and make some money while being able to tout this as a new innovative feature available on their machines. They could look like the good guy instead of the bad guy. I know that software takes time to develop but a simple announcement that this was on the way would help their image.

Roadie

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:49 am

When people get desparate ... people do desparate things.

If farmers decided that they would no longer sell their food, trust me, people would rationalize stealing it.

oceanpearl · Post by **oceanpearl** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:56 am

If you are a developer and give me free software (which they did) and then you start charging me a nominal fee, I have no problem with that. But when you cave in to a bunch of money grubbing DME's wha are afraid of losing control over my treatment, THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:34 am

Roadie wrote:True the software is theirs. The owner of the code is free to sell it for whatever price they want, they are free to limit sales in any way they want. they can put it on a shelf and let it rot. They own the code, they are free to control its distribution in any way they see fit.

The information in the machine about my personal sleep patterns should be mine, and if some third party comes up with new and unique code to extract that information Respironics should not interfere.

Respironics is missing the boat here. They should release an end user version of the software that lets us see a more detailed breakdown than the little screen on the machine gives us. If they want the end user software to only display information but not make any changes to the machine and its operation that would be fine. They could sell this end user software and make some money while being able to tout this as a new innovative feature available on their machines. They could look like the good guy instead of the bad guy. I know that software takes time to develop but a simple announcement that this was on the way would help their image.

Roadie

This was being discussed over 2 years ago when Derek came out with his MyEncore program.......something like "Encore Lite"......easier to install and user-friendly.

They're missing the boat because they're sitting at the airport.

IF.....the patients' compliance and successful therapy was as important to them as it SHOULD be, then they would be working on ways to improve it. All you have to do is read the posts from the folks on this forum who have software and machines that provide the details......they are compliant and they are making their therapy work. The software WAS available from a number of sources as a purchaseable item. All of a sudden they pulled it off the market. WHY? Was it the DMEs and doctors who were complaining about the patients monitoring their own therapy? Were they getting too many calls from the users who had it? (OOPS....THEY shouldn't have that!)

It's too bad that there haven't been lawsuits against some of these entities (I can't believe I'm actually saying this) because of the screw-ups by the doctors and DMEs. I've seen many patients reporting this type of thing on this forum.....doctor prescribes "wrong" pressure or DME doesn't do any training.......just hands customer the (cheapest, low-end) equipment and sends them on their merry way to figure it out for themselves and then become non-compliant.

It makes NO sense that the manufacturers are making these data-recording machines (which the DMEs don't want to sell) and creating the software that nobody (except the patient) wants to use.

These patients can't possibly know how their therapy is REALLY doing with out looking at the details. This old "How do you feel?" crap is just THAT.....CRAP! These greedy medical professionals are stuck in the Dark Ages.

Den

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:49 am

Anonymous wrote: This old "How do you feel?" crap is just THAT.....CRAP! These greedy medical professionals are stuck in the Dark Ages.

Den

I was reading the book “Sugar Blues” a while back and in it the author discussed how in the Dark Ages, the health professionals had permission from the church to practice healing (you know blood letting and smoke therapy) and local folk healers (who used natural herbs and provided common sense advice) were forced underground or burned at the stake for practicing witchcraft. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore … but that water-boarding stuff at Gitmo still scares me a bit.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:50 am

DreamStalker wrote:When people get desparate ... people do desparate things.

If farmers decided that they would no longer sell their food, trust me, people would rationalize stealing it.

You betcha! As I read this, two other commodities came to mind.....water and petroleum-based products.....gas, oil, plastics, etc. Think about how desperate people would be..... Wars have been (or are being) fought over stuff like this.

As the "alternative fuels" (fuels from grains) become more abundant, food items are going to get more expensive. I just heard that the price of milk is in the process of taking significant jumps in prices.....the rest will follow.

Den

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:57 am

DreamStalker wrote:I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore

Are you REALLY sure about that?
I'm getting the feeling that the government can do just about anything it wants to under the guise of "Homeland Security".

Den

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:17 am

Anonymous wrote:As the "alternative fuels" (fuels from grains) become more abundant, food items are going to get more expensive. I just heard that the price of milk is in the process of taking significant jumps in prices.....the rest will follow.

Den

That’s already happening in Mexico where big agribusiness has entered into the bio-fuel market and created a shortage of corn … the food staple for those people.

As the price of oil remains over $75 to $80 per barrel, agribusiness will shift their production to the bio-fuel market because they can make more profit selling as fuel than selling as food. In time, the shortfall in supply will cause prices to go up on food and they will shift back to selling food as food. In the end, the less wealthy become more desperate as they become less able to afford the basic necessity of food.

The answer to the energy crisis is solar, wind, nuclear (or depending upon your political slant, nook-yuler), and most importantly, conservation technology.

The answer to successful treatment of OSA is data monitoring capabilities and education.

Anonymous wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore
Are you REALLY sure about that?
I'm getting the feeling that the government can do just about anything it wants to under the guise of "Homeland Security".

Den

Yea, I guess all they have to do is have AG change the name from “burn at the stake” to something more acceptable like “purification by fire”.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:19 am

Anonymous wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore
Are you REALLY sure about that?
I'm getting the feeling that the government can do just about anything it wants to under the guise of "Homeland Security".

Den

Precisely why some of us stay armed! Jim

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:23 am

come on guys...stay on topic...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:24 am

Goofproof wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
DreamStalker wrote:I sure am glad they can’t burn us at the stake anymore
Are you REALLY sure about that?
I'm getting the feeling that the government can do just about anything it wants to under the guise of "Homeland Security".

Den
Precisely why some of us stay armed! Jim

Shhhhhh..... (Amen!)

Den