ResMed Tango CPAP Machine

ResMed has a new CPAP Machine out called the C-Series Tango.

http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/fl ... tango.html

I just orderd a bunch of them so I'll give some kind of review on it when they come in.

I looked at the clinician brochure... this is a seriously vanilla machine. Does not even have leak adjustment.

Totally bare bones -I would nto want one.

WillSucceed wrote:I looked at the clinician brochure... this is a seriously vanilla machine. Does not even have leak adjustment.

Totally bare bones -I would nto want one.

Yep, should make for a very good backup machine. Will be cheap, probably the same cost as many people sell used machine for.

Thanks DP,

As WillSucceed says, it's very basic, but could be an option for someone who does not have insurance and cannot afford all the bells and whistles.

Disposable water chamber sounds interesting?

Bonnie

Just the type of machine we are trying to get off the market. Low end Barebones machine, that can be dumped on the unsuspecting new cpap user, to maxiumize profits and minumize treatment success. Jim

It should come with a Nasal mask & with a chin strap designed to hold your mouth open

Wow the venom around here is quite astonishing at times.

I can guarantee you that I could take that machine and make somebody 100% compliant and change their lives in the exact same way as I could with a machine that costs twice as much and has all the bells and whistles. It is not about the machine, but about the caregiver.

DP, I have to agree with SnoreDog on this one. Tho, hopefully, a little more tactfully.

This is NOT a machine needed except in small quantities for those w/low income who have no insurance.

Any self-respecting DME supplier should not have any interest in this machine EXCEPT for those w/low income and no insurance.

I wouldn't even consider the Tango for backup OR travel and I love my Resmeds. (S8 Elite and S8 AutoSet Vantage). I'd rather buy a fully data capable xPAP "used" than waste my money on a Tango. Especially if buying the Tango from a local DME supplier w/their markup. Anyone could purchase a fully data capable cpap online from cpap.com for less than they could purchase a Tango from the majority of local DME suppliers.

You're missing the point entirely, DP. The MAJORITY of cpappers do NOT HAVE ACCESS to a good caregiver!!! Not a sleep doctor w/the TIME or interest to serve as a good caregiver and not a DME supplier staff with the knowledge, time, interest or incentive to serve as a good care giver.

DP wrote:Wow the venom around here is quite astonishing at times.

I can guarantee you that I could take that machine and make somebody 100% compliant and change their lives in the exact same way as I could with a machine that costs twice as much and has all the bells and whistles. It is not about the machine, but about the caregiver.

DP,

It seems to me that the folks you see on the forums are the ones that have gotten the "short end of the stick" by the "caregivers" at some time or another. Or, gotten "snake-bit" to use your venom analogy.
In your last sentence, I think the last word (caregiver) should be changed to "patient". Wouldn't you agree?

I really respect those of you in your profession that come here.....but keep your flak jacket on.

This new machine "Tango" reminded me of the movie "Tango & Cash".
New ResMed sales pitch: "We'll give you a Tango.....and take your Cash."


Best wishes,

Den

I can guarantee you that I could take that machine and make somebody 100% compliant and change their lives in the exact same way as I could with a machine that costs twice as much and has all the bells and whistles. It is not about the machine, but about the caregiver.

DP, I agree with you completely. A caring, knowledgeable caregiver can provide training and interventions that will go a long, long way. I applaud you for being one of these caregivers.

My concern with a machine like this is the lack of leak adjustment. No matter how carefully a mask is fitted, leaks can, and do, occur. I think that automatic leak adjustment is not a "bell and whistle," but should be a standard on every machine. Manufacturers that make a machine without it ought to be spanked; not rewarded through sales of the machine.

Slinky wrote:DP, I have to agree with SnoreDog on this one. Tho, hopefully, a little more tactfully.

This is NOT a machine needed except in small quantities for those w/low income who have no insurance.

Any self-respecting DME supplier should not have any interest in this machine EXCEPT for those w/low income and no insurance.

I wouldn't even consider the Tango for backup OR travel and I love my Resmeds. (S8 Elite and S8 AutoSet Vantage). I'd rather buy a fully data capable xPAP "used" than waste my money on a Tango. Especially if buying the Tango from a local DME supplier w/their markup. Anyone could purchase a fully data capable cpap online from cpap.com for less than they could purchase a Tango from the majority of local DME suppliers.

Slinky,

Don't forget......if insurance is paying, they're going to pay the same amount regardless of whether it's a "Tango" or an Elite or a Vantage.

Den

Disposable water chamber sounds interesting?

I'd be more inclined to think that the disposable water chamber sounds expensive!

Wulfman... wrote:I think the last word (caregiver) should be changed to "patient".

I would not agree with that. The patient needs to be educated by the caregiver. Not everybody comes to this forum to learn. The caregiver needs to make sure the patient understands his/her therapy completely. They need to understand what OSA is and the effect of untreated OSA. They need to understand how CPAP works. They need to understand all the equipment options that are available to him/her. They need somebody they can work with to find the "perfect" mask for him/her. They need somebody they can call and actually get in touch with when there are problems. They need a caregiver who will come them to see how they are doing. They need a caregiver who will let them know when it is time to replace certain things or to let them know when a new mask comes out. They need a caregiver who is going to totally get involved with their overall care. A caregiver who actually cares.

WillSucceed wrote:

Disposable water chamber sounds interesting?

I'd be more inclined to think that the disposable water chamber sounds expensive!

That sounds like what they used on the Remstar "M"agic. Sorry I couldn't resist. I give equal time to any manufacturer, that design can't cut the Mustard. Jim

DP wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:I think the last word (caregiver) should be changed to "patient".

I would not agree with that. The patient needs to be educated by the caregiver. Not everybody comes to this forum to learn. The caregiver needs to make sure the patient understands his/her therapy completely. They need to understand what OSA is and the effect of untreated OSA. They need to understand how CPAP works. They need to understand all the equipment options that are available to him/her. They need somebody they can work with to find the "perfect" mask for him/her. They need somebody they can call and actually get in touch with when there are problems. They need a caregiver who will come them to see how they are doing. They need a caregiver who will let them know when it is time to replace certain things or to let them know when a new mask comes out. They need a caregiver who is going to totally get involved with their overall care. A caregiver who actually cares.

Not sure if I get your point but

... are you saying that manufacturers should be designing these machines for the caregiver rather than the patient?

... or are you saying that the treatment of OSA patients is all about caregivers?

Not everybody has a caregiver as you have described ... I'm guessing that is actually the case for "most" everybody.

While I agree with what the purpose/mission of the OSA caregiver should be, I agree with Den that PAP machine makers should be designing their products for patients and not caregivers. I also agree with Jim that PAP machine makers should be outlawed from making machines incapable of providing efficacy data.

Maybe there is simply a misunderstanding of where the venom is really being directed at?

DP wrote:

Wulfman... wrote:I think the last word (caregiver) should be changed to "patient".

I would not agree with that. The patient needs to be educated by the caregiver. Not everybody comes to this forum to learn. The caregiver needs to make sure the patient understands his/her therapy completely. They need to understand what OSA is and the effect of untreated OSA. They need to understand how CPAP works. They need to understand all the equipment options that are available to him/her. They need somebody they can work with to find the "perfect" mask for him/her. They need somebody they can call and actually get in touch with when there are problems. They need a caregiver who will come them to see how they are doing. They need a caregiver who will let them know when it is time to replace certain things or to let them know when a new mask comes out. They need a caregiver who is going to totally get involved with their overall care. A caregiver who actually cares.

I realize where YOU'RE coming from (as a conscientious caregiver). On the other hand, the bolded words above seem to point to the "patient" and their needs.
Maybe YOU (and other RTs that visit this site) can guarantee that you can make somebody 100% compliant, etc......but there are far too many that can't or don't.
It's gut-wrenching to read the posts on the forums about those who have been less fortunate. That's where I'm coming from.

Den