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Re: Addition by Subtraction

Post by Vader » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:35 am

Vader wrote:LOL With that attitude you won't have to leave, you'll probably be barred from the forum eventually.


StillAnotherGuest wrote:I'm glad you were smiling when you said that.
Oh, I was smiling alright, but make no mistake about it, you WILL NOT be allowed to continue censoring other member's posts.

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Post by DreamStalker » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:19 am

Darwinian principles are at work on this forum just like everything else on this planet and those who fail to acknowledge that are doomed to fade away into the sunset. In other words, what some see as mean spirited, others see as funny and entertaining, while others are offended, and for still others seen as fight'in words, and round and round it goes. There will always be losers and winners, question is where you want to end up. You can go away with your tail between your legs or you can join in with the vicious attacks and go Bahgdad on a fellow member(s), or you can watch, listen, and learn that life is not fair and survive for another day. Finally everything is relative. What we see here on this forum as shock and awe is nothing more than cyber entertainment to someone on the other side of the planet ... perspective, perspective, perspective. Silly humans!

As far as censor police ... I don't think we need another decider in chief ... but that is my perspective so not blame me if yours differs.
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RIGHT ON, Bro!!!

Post by GoofyUT » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:44 am

BRAVO!!!! Brilliantly well said.

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Post by WillSucceed » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:14 pm

neversleeps wrote:
SAG,

I prefer to draw my own conclusions regarding the content and merit of another member's post. While you've made it clear you deleted posts because you determined, "A cancer in the organism needs to be excised," it is simply not your decision to make.
I think that neversleeps has hit the nail on the head. Ultimately, all of what is said on this forum is opinion. Some of it is delivered with polite respectfulness and some it is not. I have not liked some of the things that have been said to me and, I'm CERTAIN that others have not liked some of the things that I have said to them.

Each of us gets to decide how respectful we want to be towards others and, we also get to decide how much disrespect we will tolerate from others. If we don't like things as they are, we can self-select out of the system. This may be why CollegeGirl left; perhaps she has not liked that people disagree with her opinion or have been unkind in their comments to her. However, she was certainly no lite-weight when it came to delivering underhanded shots of her own.

So, it is unfortunate that people hurt others and, feel hurt by others, and if any contributor feels compelled to leave, that is even more unfortunate. What is unacceptable, in fact the height of arrogance, is that any one of us should think that he/she has the right to censor someone else's words.
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Post by Tkuentz » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:31 pm

I do not want anyone to decide what I can or can't read. Period.

You learn as a young child not to harm books . . . you don't have the right to destroy other peoples words as an adult. If someone is offended, they have the right to post their opinion.

Regardless of how this thread began, it has clearly gone in a different direction.

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Post by Snoredog » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:08 pm

blarg wrote:
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I find it interesting that suddenly, in this thread, Snoredog has managed to argue his point eloquently, without calling SAG stupid, without saying that every question he's ever had is stupid, and without putting pictures of a middle finger up. I find it truly interesting that as horrible as some of you think censorship is, at least in this thread, it's helped at least one poster to be civil. SAG didn't go in and delete every single post that Snoredog made, just a single, over the top attack. And now, suddenly, Snoredog is not attacking people. Could be coincidence, but I personally don't think so.

Again, personally, I think the only way we'll have a free exchange of ideas on this forum is for everyone to know that consequences exist for uncivil behavior. Otherwise, all those that don't think it's worth their time to get offended at what's going on at an internet forum won't be around. Seen CollegeGirl around much recently?

Neversleeps, what about all those people out of the 16,597 that choose not to post here anymore because they've been attacked and didn't feel it was worth it to come fight it out? Don't you want to hear what they have to say?

And no, I don't want a perfect "let's all hold hands and sing together" type of place. I just want people to abstain from acting like 4 year olds. They can hate me or disagree with me all they want, we just don't need to be calling each other names and insinuating that the person we disagree with has brain damage.

(Edit: Interesting title for the topic: "Addition by subtraction." I just thought I'd note that subtracting negative values does result in addition. )
Going against my own self-imposed rule here, I'm going to make an exception and answer some of the points you make in your post. Because I know this is your favorite thing to do, that is take a post where someone is trying to help another and dissect what they said sentence by sentence, and if they don't answer you, you persist like a thorn in one's side until you do get an answer one way or another.

I flipped you the finger? are you sure? mmm....I thought I had given you an eyetest, it appears you failed that eyetest. Because anyone that looks at the test knows that is not a finger, it is a "tree". You saw it as a bird finger because you know inside you deserved it. But it is a "tree" that grows in the Forrest. Some people can't see the Forrest because of the trees but that is another discussion.

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Now I look at this thread really as a "piling on" opportunity at my expense. That's okay, I'm a big boy, I can take it. Even SAG makes the point of his actions here to gather up my enemies to collectively boot me out of here, he sees me as a cancer that needs exercising. We all know that is your same motive here, same for my other declared enemies like dsm. Now everyone pretty much knows why he doesn't like me, because I don't like the company that resides in his homeland based upon some of the policies they put in place at my expense. He sees my pokes at Resmed as attacking his whole country. I also know you and him are good buddies, don't you peddle junk equipment for him out of Portland? So if I get flack from the both of you, I know that is pretty much to be expected especially at times like this.

But you won't see me crying, ranting, throwing my gloves down, stomping my feet from a racing incident like Danica Patrick. You will never see these ultimatum posts "this is my last post IF" message coming from me.

So I'll address your points just so it doesn't screw up several threads, I'll bend my rule with you and address a few of what you said. I cannot defend myself on the original content of this thread because that right or privilege or what every you want to call it was taken away from me by someone else. I already knew I was going to hear from the Romper Room, I already knew I was going to hear from those down under, read my prior posts.

So I'll just address what you've written above and maybe a bit more.

SAG and I: I'll admit, I'm not a happy camper about my posts being deleted. Buy why didn't I call him stupid? Because I'm old enough to know that is not true. In fact I have more respect for SAG then you will ever know. While I cannot speak for him, I know his main goal in participating here is only to help people with this disorder.

While I'm not happy with it, I see his deletion of my posts more the exception than the rule. SAG's goals here is no different than mine, he is only here to help people who seek out answers to their questions.

Since you keep bringing it up in your "Words of wisdom" several times in this thread alone, I address it too. That is CollegeGirl, with all due respect to her, she's been coming here for a long time. She has always come and gone. Did I drive her away? Maybe so, but in my opinion she drove herself away.

You have only been on this board what since December 2006? Think I recall your very first post, you gave us all a little bit of background in that post. If not mistaken, you said something along the lines you have been tired all through school, your dad was an ER doctor and he doesn't think you had a sleep disorder. He thought you just needed to move out get a job and be on your own. But I have kids of my own, I can see them moving back for awhile to get on their feet after school, so I don't fault you there. In any case I pretty much came away from that message that you and your dad didn't always see eye to eye.

As for CollegeGirl, since you keep insinuating over and over I drove her away from here, I'll address that point too. Like you, she also seems to come here and give everyone her "Words of wisdom". But you know what? you both need to learn something, you both are not old enough to offer anyone any words of wisdom in my opinion. Hell I had already worked half my life about the time you were probably born. I know she doesn't like me. I don't really care, I always avoid responding to any of her posts intentionally, it is just like Will said, if your point differs from hers she'll post one of her little Danica Patrick rants and leave again.

Has she really gone? Or did she just create another name and still posts here? How are we supposed to know? If she left, it appears you and her are best friends. I think she lives back east so that must be a long distance relationship. I don't really think she left at all, she has always come here trying to turn this place into some eHarmony meeting site. You are good at searches, maybe you should search for a post with the subject "any single guys here?" I voiced my opinion on that idea and I'm sure it pissed her off. Do I care? not at all. You make it seem like she came here and actively contributed to this board on a regular basis and made it what it is today. Maybe she did in the beginning, but the rest of the time it was just to come here and get our opinion on her graduation pictures. But if you think that, there are some that would disagree with that assumption.

And it is like I said, did she really leave? It seems you two spend an awful lot of time in the chat using various handles. Not too hard to figure out who is saying what. I remember back when she was in school, it was past midnight my time think she was back east, so it had to be about 3AM her time, she was online chatting, oh she come here crying that she had finals the next day and didn't know how she was going to make it through it. I have no doubts she has a sleep disorder and when she asked a question and I had the answer I gave it to her.

You have only been here 6 months. I think you said you were young and out of school, so you can't be but 25 or so, about the same age as CollegeGirl.

Hell I have kids older than you are, some of them doctors, some of them graduated cum laude, some top 2% of their class, some with masters and a doctorate. I even have to tell them every once in a while they haven't lived long enough to have gone around the block yet.

And the same for me, I still learn a thing or two from my 88yr old mother, she still amazes me. She is the only lady I know that goes to her Cardiologist and tells them what needs to be done with her treatment, and you know what they do it.

So if you really want my opinion, on things that I can answer, ask and I'll answer if I can. But don't ask just to be a thorn in my side. I thought it was just me that you did that too, but a few weeks back I see you did the same thing with my buddy GoofyUT. You even managed to piss him off with the same tactic you use on me.

So when it comes to words of wisdom, you and CG need to learn something, you are simply not old enough to be in a position to give anyone any words of wisdom. You two haven't even been half way around the block. You guys want to turn this place into a eHarmony socializing place? go find some place else to do it, but it is not my place to tell you that. But if you put up posts asking for opinions, I'll be happy to oblige with an answer.

Now for a newbie reading this thread ole blarg wants to paint a picture of big bad snoredog. Sure there are some "lurkers" with a half dozen posts and 3-4 different handles that only come out when there is a pissing taking place.

So I'll address my enemies here, I may be that fresh pile of dog poop, but you are always the same flock of flies that swarm around to land on it every time like clock work.

someday science will catch up to what I'm saying...

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Post by roster » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:20 pm

"someday science will catch up to what I'm saying..."

I am no longer sure of this - you just lapped science about 4 times buddy.

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Re: Addition by Subtraction

Post by dsm » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:58 pm

blarg wrote:
neversleeps wrote:The issue is your belief that you have the self-appointed authority to edit what the rest of us are permitted to read.
I've made my position on this issue clear on several occasions, but I'll add that position to this thread for posterity's sake.

Den's concerned about "where does it stop?" The answer is wherever we want it to. Several here have the technical ability to create forums, including myself. If it is ever truly out of control, then hop over to a different forum. The admins here have made it clear they are largely on the "no censorship" side of this debate, so I HIGHLY doubt that they're going to be thought police tomorrow.

And I really don't think it's as dramatic as neversleeps does. Quite frankly, in any town of 16,597 people, there are bound to be a few people that you wouldn't trust to babysit your children. Now, the issue in a town is a physical safety one, which is not true here, but we have police officers in society for a reason.

I find it interesting that suddenly, in this thread, Snoredog has managed to argue his point eloquently, without calling SAG stupid, without saying that every question he's ever had is stupid, and without putting pictures of a middle finger up. I find it truly interesting that as horrible as some of you think censorship is, at least in this thread, it's helped at least one poster to be civil. SAG didn't go in and delete every single post that Snoredog made, just a single, over the top attack. And now, suddenly, Snoredog is not attacking people. Could be conincidence, but I personally don't think so.

Again, personally, I think the only way we'll have a free exchange of ideas on this forum is for everyone to know that consequences exist for uncivil behavior. Otherwise, all those that don't think it's worth their time to get offended at what's going on at an internet forum won't be around. Seen CollegeGirl around much recently?

Neversleeps, what about all those people out of the 16,597 that choose not to post here anymore because they've been attacked and didn't feel it was worth it to come fight it out? Don't you want to hear what they have to say?

And no, I don't want a perfect "let's all hold hands and sing together" type of place. I just want people to abstain from acting like 4 year olds. They can hate me or disagree with me all they want, we just don't need to be calling each other names and insinuating that the person we disagree with has brain damage.

(Edit: Interesting title for the topic: "Addition by subtraction." I just thought I'd note that subtracting negative values does result in addition. )
Blarg,

A very well framed and thought out post that hits the real points fairly and squarely.

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Post by dsm » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:13 pm

Snoredog wrote:
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Now I look at this thread really as a "piling on" opportunity at my expense. That's okay, I'm a big boy, I can take it. Even SAG makes the point of his actions here to gather up my enemies to collectively boot me out of here, he sees me as a cancer that needs exercising. We all know that is your same motive here, same for my other declared enemies like dsm. Now everyone pretty much knows why he doesn't like me, because I don't like the company that resides in his homeland based upon some of the policies they put in place at my expense. He sees my pokes at Resmed as attacking his whole country. I also know you and him are good buddies, don't you peddle junk equipment for him out of Portland? So if I get flack from the both of you, I know that is pretty much to be expected especially at times like this.

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This to me is an example of how one poster can (and has often) invented a story that has nothing to do with the topic at hand but acts as a distraction from the mess they have previously created.

If we were all able to stick to the topic of the posts and stop attacking the people making the point, I believe we would be able to deal with disagreements and could negotiate appologies but when we attack the people making the posts we invite retaliation - especially if we introduce fabricated & unrelated comments.

We can all make mistakes and can all say things we regret. Never appologising for our mistakes leaves festering wounds.

Everyone has their value here, some show it in harsh ways. But I understand exactly what motivated SAG.

DSM

#2 PS Snoredog, my issues with you were not that you don't like Resmed, a lot of people don't - it is when you post dishonest remarks or outright lies. If you did it about Puritan Bennett I would be just as offended. So when I questioned you on those Resmed points you would usually attack me personally and never deal with the point I raised. Then if I tried to PM you to discuss, you would ignore the PM. You are now rewriting history.

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Post by Titrator » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:30 pm

Howdy Folks,

I have locked the thread. I think everyone has had a chance to voice an opinion. Play nice...

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