Pugsy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:03 pm
Dog Slobber wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:56 pm
Lack of Google Account session with browser (not sure if you've addressed this yet)
No...I don't have a google account. Never needed one. To be honest I didn't really understand much of what you were saying about it. Can you explain that idea further please?
Sure.
TLDR -
Create a google gmail account, in your browser login to Google, do not logout. This just needs to be done once, or whenever cookies expire.
ReCAPTCHA is designed to reduce:
- Bots masquerading as humans.
- Bot/SPAM Boiler Room SPAMMING, these are hybrids of bots, that then pass URL to a boiler room full of people who solve the captcha and then pass the session back to bot.
ReCAPTCHA uses Google's AI to prevent/reduce Bots and Boiler Room SPAM, by attempting to determine if their is a real person and if there activity is legitmate. The is a difficult task and prone to a lot of false positives and negatives.
The Anti-Bot detection AI uses a proprietary technique to give a "score" reflecting whether it believe their is a legitimate user on the other end. One of the factors is; is this session associated with a google account, and is determined if their is a "session cookie" within the browser. The thought being Bots aren't used through browsers and don't have google accounts, and should they create a google account it can be flagged.
Therefore simply by having a google account it will raise your non-bot score.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90369697/go ... -dark-side
But according to Mohamed Akrout, a computer science PhD student at the University of Toronto who has studied reCaptcha, it appears that Google is also using its cookies to determine whether someone is a human in reCaptcha v3 tests. Akrout wrote in an April paper about how reCaptcha v3 simulations that ran on a browser with a connected Google account received lower risk scores than browsers without a connected Google account. “If you have a Google account it’s more likely you are human,” he says. Google did not respond to questions about the role that Google cookies play in reCaptcha.
At this point I am grouchy again and not really into expending much more brain power on it.
Understandable
I am doing nothing different than I have done for years and even with Hughes I have had them 4 or 5 years now I think.
I am here no more and no less than I ever have been. So in my mind someone else changed something and I really am annoyed that it's up to me to try to fix it. I don't think that should be my job.
You haven't done anything different, but the environment around you has changed considerably.
- Bots have gotten more sophisticated
- Bot Farms have become more prolific
- Browser's and their security has changed dramatically
- Anti-Bot algorithms have changed
- Activity such as the forum slow down we experienced, and other legitimate activity can sometimes be incorrectly flagged as suspicious.
You got caught in the Bot/Anti-bot arms-race escalation. And no, it's not your job to fix, and Google/Mozzila/and lots of other people won't fix it. Like a lot of things, a certain amount of collateral damage is acceptable.
