Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by colomom » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:20 pm

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:21 am
Just an update on how I went using the light this morning. I used it on blue light mode for half an hour. I was pretty tired, because I had only slept for four hours (a habit I seem to be in, lately :roll: ), from about 2am to 6am, and been awake from that point on, even though I was still tired. My aim is to get up at 8am each day, so I waited until 8 to use the light. I don't think I've noticed any real difference so far, although any benefit will hopefully be seen in that maybe I'll go to sleep earlier tonight or wake up earlier tomorrow....well, not earlier than 6, but earlier than 8, maybe. I'll see how it goes. I think it's going to be a big help in the long run, though. My sleeping habits have so many issues that I'll have to get everything organised, and it will take time to do that, but I think the light will be a big part of getting my problem fixed.
Sounds like you off to a good start! If I was in your shoes I would change my going to bed time by small increments and keep the wake up time at 8:00 for a while (constancy is important don’t make more than one change at a time). If last night you weren’t able to fall asleep until 2:00, maybe try going to bed at 1:30 and keep your goal at a wake up time of 8:00. If you are able to fall asleep within a reasonable amount of time keep incrementally making your bed time earlier. Your doc probably already told you this, but if ideally if you wake during the night and can’t fall back asleep within 30ish minutes leave your bed. I’ve found moving to the recliner in the living room and sipping a cup of herbal tea while listening to soothing music can be helpful. Also be sure to remove visible clocks from your bedroom.

My son was prescribed light therapy for a circadian rhythm disorder (he also has OSA), he didn’t feel better after a single night of light therapy but improvement was surprisingly fast. He also followed all the other doctors recommendations, which likely hastened his improvement. As horrible as it sounds for most of my son’s life I would have to resort to dramatic measures like dumping cold water on his head to wake him up so he could make it to school in the morning :oops: .
After light therapy combined with treating his OSA and a strict adherence to other recommendations by his doc, my son has actually woken up on his own naturaly at 7:00 for the last couple of years :wink: .

Your sleep doctor is a keeper, many sleep docs are singularly focused on OSA and miss other sleep disorders.

Good luck to you, I hope the combination of light therapy and treating you sleep apnea will lead you to a restful nights sleep!😴 💤

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:26 pm

I have discovered a predominant cause of my sleeplessness is my arthritis.
A couple of ibuprofen at bedtime helps a bunch.
Side effect: the swelling and achiness on my right middle knuckle and basilar joint
of my right thumb are reduced and almost totally painless.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:42 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:26 pm
I have discovered a predominant cause of my sleeplessness is my arthritis.
A couple of ibuprofen at bedtime helps a bunch.
Side effect: the swelling and achiness on my right middle knuckle and basilar joint
of my right thumb are reduced and almost totally painless.
Shouldn't that be the right "frog finger and thumb"? :lol: Kidding. Really, though - pain is the worst when it comes to trying to sleep. I've had a lot of it over the years, but I'm fairly pain-free at the moment, except for a bit of arthritis in one knee. Good to hear that the ibuprofen helps you with that.
I've got to tell you....This light box is definitely working!!! I'm sooo tired, and it's only 9.35pm here. I got tired early last night, too, but didn't let myself go to sleep until fairly late. I thought it might be just a one-off, but I'm tired again tonight. If I go to sleep at eg. 10pm, I'll be awake by 2am, so I'll stay awake as long as I can. Glad the gadget is working, though....maybe a bit too well. :lol:

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:11 am

colomom wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:20 pm
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:21 am
Just an update on how I went using the light this morning. I used it on blue light mode for half an hour. I was pretty tired, because I had only slept for four hours (a habit I seem to be in, lately :roll: ), from about 2am to 6am, and been awake from that point on, even though I was still tired. My aim is to get up at 8am each day, so I waited until 8 to use the light. I don't think I've noticed any real difference so far, although any benefit will hopefully be seen in that maybe I'll go to sleep earlier tonight or wake up earlier tomorrow....well, not earlier than 6, but earlier than 8, maybe. I'll see how it goes. I think it's going to be a big help in the long run, though. My sleeping habits have so many issues that I'll have to get everything organised, and it will take time to do that, but I think the light will be a big part of getting my problem fixed.
Sounds like you off to a good start! If I was in your shoes I would change my going to bed time by small increments and keep the wake up time at 8:00 for a while (constancy is important don’t make more than one change at a time). If last night you weren’t able to fall asleep until 2:00, maybe try going to bed at 1:30 and keep your goal at a wake up time of 8:00. If you are able to fall asleep within a reasonable amount of time keep incrementally making your bed time earlier. Your doc probably already told you this, but if ideally if you wake during the night and can’t fall back asleep within 30ish minutes leave your bed. I’ve found moving to the recliner in the living room and sipping a cup of herbal tea while listening to soothing music can be helpful. Also be sure to remove visible clocks from your bedroom.

My son was prescribed light therapy for a circadian rhythm disorder (he also has OSA), he didn’t feel better after a single night of light therapy but improvement was surprisingly fast. He also followed all the other doctors recommendations, which likely hastened his improvement. As horrible as it sounds for most of my son’s life I would have to resort to dramatic measures like dumping cold water on his head to wake him up so he could make it to school in the morning :oops: .
After light therapy combined with treating his OSA and a strict adherence to other recommendations by his doc, my son has actually woken up on his own naturaly at 7:00 for the last couple of years :wink: .

Your sleep doctor is a keeper, many sleep docs are singularly focused on OSA and miss other sleep disorders.

Good luck to you, I hope the combination of light therapy and treating you sleep apnea will lead you to a restful nights sleep!😴 💤
Thanks for your encouragement, colomom. I did get tired early last night, but thought it was probably a one-off, but I'm tired again tonight, so this thing is working, for sure. I agree my sleep doc is a keeper. Costs an arm and a leg to see him, so it's just as well he's good! I knew I had some type of circadian rhythm disorder before I saw him, but I just used to take a heap of sleeping med. to keep things somewhat on track....without much success.
:lol: @ dumping cold water on your son to get him up for school! That would be the worst way to wake up. Poor kid. Well, it's good that his problems are sorted now. Getting to the point where you get up at a different time naturally (i.e. a time that you want to get up) is the way to go. Sleep is something that can't be forced, for sure. You mentioned that your son was told to go to bed at the same time every night. I thought that would be the case for me, too, and asked my doc about it, but he said for me not to go to bed unless I'm tired. I think his goal is to fiddle with sleep factors until I'm tired at the time of night that I actually want to be going to sleep. Either way should get the same result in the end, anyway.
Thank you for wishing me a restful nights sleep. Since I've been on CPAP, I've had a lot of energy, but not too many restful nights sleep. That would be great...and to be able to sleep more than four hours each night would be great, too. I think my sleeping probs are partly caused by stress and a racing mind, plus my AHI has gone up since I got this new CPAP machine. Came to find out from Pugsy that it's a lemon. Just my luck! :roll: Now I've got to work up the courage to ask the store to replace it. I think they will, but I just feel a bit uneasy asking them since they MIGHT say that it's fine and say to keep it. Another thing for me to lose sleep over until Monday! Oh well, never mind. Everything will sort itself out in the end, I guess/hope.
Thanks again for your reply. :) I'll keep updating in this thread about how the light therapy is going.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:55 am

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm
My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then.
Or, he needs a regular income.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by zonker » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:14 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:55 am
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm
My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then.
Or, he needs a regular income.
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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:19 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:55 am
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm
My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then.
Or, he needs a regular income.
:lol: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. I've only seen him a few times, which was the initial consultation, where he looked at my sleep study and said to go on CPAP, plus gave me sleep diary pages to fill out, then one to see how the treated sleep apnea & sleep diaries were going, then one to check the sleep diaries again & start trying to fix my circadian rhythm problem, i.e. get me onto Melatonin and so on. I suspect, after the next visit, if my sleeping habits/hours are fully on track, he'll say not to come back unless I have a problem. I could be wrong, but that's what I've usually found with specialists, and he's always busy, so he's not short of a quid, for sure. :D
With that said, I like a healthy dose of cynicism! I am like that myself, and I actually call it "realism". :D

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:21 pm

zonker wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:14 am
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:55 am
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm
My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then.
Or, he needs a regular income.
boat payment.
:lol: :lol: Zonker. That could be it. Would be nice to be able to get a boat payment out of one hour of work!

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:15 am

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Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:21 pm
I saw my sleep doctor today, and he confirmed that I have Non-24-Hour Sleep-Wake Disorder
How did he diagnose that? How can he know the whole problem wasn't untreated sleep apnea? How can he know that you are not still on the curve to learning to sleep with CPAP?

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Sissy63 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:40 pm

If you are out early in the day, don't wear sunglasses. If you are out in the afternoon then be sure to wear sunglasses. Also, there are blue light blocking glasses you might consider wearing in the evenings when on your computer, watching TV, etc. They are sold on Amazon.

We don't have much exposure to natural light in the building I work in and several people use light therapy a few times in the morning. I brought mine home during the isolation time and my cat chewed up the cord. 🤦‍♀️ One co-worker truly believes it helps her with her depression. Is it a placebo? It doesn't really matter if she feels better.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:11 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:15 am
Revived1 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:21 pm
I saw my sleep doctor today, and he confirmed that I have Non-24-Hour Sleep-Wake Disorder
How did he diagnose that? How can he know the whole problem wasn't untreated sleep apnea? How can he know that you are not still on the curve to learning to sleep with CPAP?
He has 3 months of my sleep diaries, all of which are since my apnea started being treated, plus I've probably only had sleep apnea for about 10 years, whereas I've had the issue with sleeping hours being mucked up for most of my life.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:13 pm

Sissy63 wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:40 pm
If you are out early in the day, don't wear sunglasses. If you are out in the afternoon then be sure to wear sunglasses. Also, there are blue light blocking glasses you might consider wearing in the evenings when on your computer, watching TV, etc. They are sold on Amazon.

We don't have much exposure to natural light in the building I work in and several people use light therapy a few times in the morning. I brought mine home during the isolation time and my cat chewed up the cord. 🤦‍♀️ One co-worker truly believes it helps her with her depression. Is it a placebo? It doesn't really matter if she feels better.
:lol: @ the cat chewing the cord up. Hopefully, you can get another one. Re: the glasses; yep, I have some which I now wear each night. They're a very attractive shade of orange! :lol:

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Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:24 pm

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. . .
:lol: @ the cat chewing the cord up. Hopefully, you can get another one. . . .
Another light box, cord or cat? (Sorry about your loss, if . . . )
Hardware stores sell replacement lamp parts. Replacement is NOT rocket science.
You might have to adopt a kitty from a shelter.
Supplies are greater during the pandemic.

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Post by Revived1 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:47 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:24 pm
Revived1 wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:13 pm
. . .
:lol: @ the cat chewing the cord up. Hopefully, you can get another one. . . .
Another light box, cord or cat? (Sorry about your loss, if . . . )
Hardware stores sell replacement lamp parts. Replacement is NOT rocket science.
You might have to adopt a kitty from a shelter.
Supplies are greater during the pandemic.
I hadn't thought of getting a new cat...but that could be an issue if it chewed the cord while it was plugged in. :? Good point, but I hope not.
I know it's not rocket science to get replacement parts when it comes to everyday items, and I was forgetting that Sissy is probably in the U.S.. Getting a cord for the light box is probably easy enough there, but I wouldn't like to be trying to get one in Aust.. Mine has some sort of adaptor.
I don't have a cat, but if anything chews the cord on my light box, I'll probably be getting a new light box.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:56 am

Revived1 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:19 pm
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:55 am
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm
My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then.
Or, he needs a regular income.
............ I like a healthy dose of cynicism! I am like that myself, and I actually call it "realism". :D
Thought I'd better clarify this. /\ I hope you didn't take it that I was insulting you. I thought what you said was funny, and a bit cynical. The point I was making is that I am a bit cynical myself, but I call it realism...i.e. being a realist. Some people think I'm cynical, but I just say it's realism, not cynicism!...and I don't think it's a bad thing. A lot of people are out to rip others off these days, so it pays to be on our toes.
It's hard to know how people mean things in chat, sometimes, with no tone of voice, etc. to go on. I just read back over this when reading another answer, and thought I'd better clarify it. Anyway, no insult intended, at all!