Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:50 am

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Hopefully your instructions will give you some ideas how to comfortably use it 6" away from you.
I doubt they will, and I can't imagine getting up and comfortably sitting 6" from a light. That's why I'm planning on using it in bed. If using it in the bed doesn't work out for some reason, I'll get up and use it, but the reason I'm going to try the bed first is because the idea of getting up and sitting 6" from a light doesn't appeal to me. If I have to, I will, though. :)

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:16 am

Revived1 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:50 am
I can't imagine getting up and comfortably sitting 6" from a light.
Why do you think you have to sit six inches from the light? All of the models I looked at say 18 inches.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:17 am

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I took a picture of mine but can't figure out how to post it!
Why not find it on Amazon and post the link?

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by khauser » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:22 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:16 am
Revived1 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:50 am
I can't imagine getting up and comfortably sitting 6" from a light.
Why do you think you have to sit six inches from the light? All of the models I looked at say 18 inches.
I'm going to take a guess at this. All of the lights I see that claim a 10,000 lux rating make that measurement 6" from the light. They also tend to recommend a distance FROM 6" to 18 (or in some cases) 24".

If you are closer to the light you may need less exposure time, but by the same token you can be more comfortable and a bit further and still get great therapy.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:32 am

khauser wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:22 am
a distance FROM 6" to 18 (or in some cases) 24"
Well, I'm 93 million miles from the sun.

How the hell is that supposed to work?
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ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:32 am
khauser wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:22 am
a distance FROM 6" to 18 (or in some cases) 24"
Well, I'm 93 million miles from the sun.

How the hell is that supposed to work?
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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by khauser » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:35 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:32 am
khauser wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:22 am
a distance FROM 6" to 18 (or in some cases) 24"
Well, I'm 93 million miles from the sun.

How the hell is that supposed to work?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The sun has a somewhat higher lux value, LOL

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by colomom » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:59 am

Revived1 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:50 am
I doubt they will, and I can't imagine getting up and comfortably sitting 6" from a light. That's why I'm planning on using it in bed. If using it in the bed doesn't work out for some reason, I'll get up and use it, but the reason I'm going to try the bed first is because the idea of getting up and sitting 6" from a light doesn't appeal to me. If I have to, I will, though. :)
Khauser’s guess is spot on. If light isn’t quite 10,000 lux at the distance you are comfortable sitting from it all you need to do is spend a bit longer in front of the light for full effect.
It’s important the therapy is comfortable for you, if it isn’t you won’t stick with it. Chris8243 has a good point about not using the light in bed, staying in bed is counter productive if the goal is to wake up. Sleep doctors also recommend you should only be in bed for sleep or romance. You want your brain to associate bed with sleep, so it’s best to avoid doing activities that promote wakefulness in bed.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Norma45 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:14 pm

Revived1 - even doing the protocol partly can help big time.
I have circadian rhythm disorder and when it is really bad I can get stuck sleeping days (can't stay awake) and can't sleep at night even if I have been up 36 hours.

I use light therapy and just doing that (even sort of) makes a big difference. I used this one for years:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002W ... UTF8&psc=1
I point it downward at my desktop while working on the computer/papers.

I struggle to do a set schedule, but it worked even when..
I turned it on mid morning, not early morning.
When I had it on just an hour or so, not longer (though many days I wanted it on longer - I craved sunlight).
I did lower night time blue lights (on phone/computer with flux, though now there is built in ability in most devices/computers).
But I didn't go hog wild on wearing amber glasses (yup I got some) or having amber lights in the house for use at night - that was a lot of trouble.

I don't have space for the large lamp now, so I use
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MG ... UTF8&psc=1
It works ok but I need more hours on it (often until sundown) and I point it right at my face (not down).

I am no where near perfect on when I go to sleep or when I wake up or doing things on any schedule. But for the most part my sleep schedule is ok (I fall asleep at a certain time give or take 1 hour, and I can live with that).
My phones/computer are dimmer and with less blue at night, happens automatically and that helps a little, but the morning light is the big thing for me.
I don't do Melatonin because I had read a study way back when that long term use was bad for you. However, tart red cherries are supposed to increase Melatonin naturally - you just need to be able to tolerate the sugar in them.

Things to check - some people use blue light ok (a lot more of those devices around). I needed white light as blue light irritates my eyes even if only for a very short time (5 min).
Where will you be using it? Will you be sitting down for breakfast, at a computer, etc. for a while first thing in the morning - most mornings?
There are portable eyeglasses that do the light therapy that you can put on then go about your day (they go with you) - though they say don't drive with them on.
I have wanted those but the quality was not that good in the past (much improved now) and I need white ones, not blue ones.

Anyone want the https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002W ... UTF8&psc=1, I have it in my "to sell pile" - we are downsizing big time. I will give a good deal. It is the older style one but works well and had new light bulbs put in not too long ago.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:49 am

khauser wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:22 am
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:16 am
Revived1 wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:50 am
I can't imagine getting up and comfortably sitting 6" from a light.
Why do you think you have to sit six inches from the light? All of the models I looked at say 18 inches.
I'm going to take a guess at this. All of the lights I see that claim a 10,000 lux rating make that measurement 6" from the light. They also tend to recommend a distance FROM 6" to 18 (or in some cases) 24".

If you are closer to the light you may need less exposure time, but by the same token you can be more comfortable and a bit further and still get great therapy.
Yes. This is right. The reason I have to sit six inches from the light is because the blurb says "10,000 lux at 15cm". I received the lamp today and the paperwork adds that, at 20cm, you get 5,000 lux, so need to spend an hour in front of the lamp, and at 25cm, you get 2,500 lux and need to spend 2 hours in front of it. Bugger that. That won't be happening, I can tell you.
Another bit of interesting info....Blue light wasn't mentioned in the ad. for this thing, but the pamphlet tells me that, if I use blue light mode, it only requires 200 lux to get the same effect as 10,000 lux of white light. You can sit further away from it in blue light mode, although it doesn't say for how long, but I'll try it for half an hour tomorrow morning. Yay, I can get out of bed when I wake up. My plan was to use it in bed immediately before I got up because of the 6" issue, but I'll get up and use the blue light option at my kitchen table. I'm looking forward to it! :)

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Lucyhere » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 am

Revived1 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:49 am
Another bit of interesting info....Blue light wasn't mentioned in the ad. for this thing, but the pamphlet tells me that, if I use blue light mode, it only requires 200 lux to get the same effect as 10,000 lux of white light. You can sit further away from it in blue light mode, although it doesn't say for how long, but I'll try it for half an hour tomorrow morning. :)

You may have already mentioned it, but could you please say what you bought and where. Thanks.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:14 am

Lucyhere wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:52 am
Revived1 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:49 am
Another bit of interesting info....Blue light wasn't mentioned in the ad. for this thing, but the pamphlet tells me that, if I use blue light mode, it only requires 200 lux to get the same effect as 10,000 lux of white light. You can sit further away from it in blue light mode, although it doesn't say for how long, but I'll try it for half an hour tomorrow morning. :)

You may have already mentioned it, but could you please say what you bought and where. Thanks.
No, I hadn't mentioned it. Here is a website with info.:-
https://medilux.com.au/
You can buy them on eBay or directly from the site.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:21 am

Just an update on how I went using the light this morning. I used it on blue light mode for half an hour. I was pretty tired, because I had only slept for four hours (a habit I seem to be in, lately :roll: ), from about 2am to 6am, and been awake from that point on, even though I was still tired. My aim is to get up at 8am each day, so I waited until 8 to use the light. I don't think I've noticed any real difference so far, although any benefit will hopefully be seen in that maybe I'll go to sleep earlier tonight or wake up earlier tomorrow....well, not earlier than 6, but earlier than 8, maybe. I'll see how it goes. I think it's going to be a big help in the long run, though. My sleeping habits have so many issues that I'll have to get everything organised, and it will take time to do that, but I think the light will be a big part of getting my problem fixed.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Chris8243 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 pm

Revived1 wrote:
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I don't think I've noticed any real difference so far, although any benefit will hopefully be seen in that maybe I'll go to sleep earlier tonight or wake up earlier tomorrow....well, not earlier than 6, but earlier than 8, maybe.
The difference will not be immediate. I didn't even notice that my "biological clock" changed until months later. I did not start using it because of sleep apnea (didn't even know I had it at the time). I've always had trouble sleeping but it was attributed to depression. I started using a light box on the advice of my doctor, specifically because it might help with depression. She told me exactly what to get and how to use it. I can't say if it actually helped or not, but 5 years later I'm still using it, for approx 5-6 months out of the year. Would I be worse depression-wise if I didn't use it? No way to know, can't measure, but I know the light box has no negative side effects so I continue to use it. I actually get up early now, having a cup of coffee and enjoying my quiet time before my husband gets up. For my entire life I used to hit the snooze button on my alarm repeatedly, I have never ever been a person who wakes up easily.

Long story but want to let you know I didn't even notice the change in my willingness to get up until months later. Maybe even a year later. I didn't use it because of sleep. In this post you asked if anyone used a light box to regulate sleep and I want to encourage you to try it. Not magic, not like taking a pill for a headache and getting some relief. Just one part of a puzzle piece that may help you feel better in the long run. And like anything in life, it won't be useful for everyone. It does help me.

PS - I still don't go to bed early enough, and still have trouble falling asleep. What's different is that I will get up in the morning regardless.

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Re: Has anyone tried a light box/light therapy to regulate sleeping hours?

Post by Revived1 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:06 pm

Chris8243 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 pm
Revived1 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:21 am
I don't think I've noticed any real difference so far, although any benefit will hopefully be seen in that maybe I'll go to sleep earlier tonight or wake up earlier tomorrow....well, not earlier than 6, but earlier than 8, maybe.
The difference will not be immediate. I didn't even notice that my "biological clock" changed until months later. I did not start using it because of sleep apnea (didn't even know I had it at the time). I've always had trouble sleeping but it was attributed to depression. I started using a light box on the advice of my doctor, specifically because it might help with depression. She told me exactly what to get and how to use it. I can't say if it actually helped or not, but 5 years later I'm still using it, for approx 5-6 months out of the year. Would I be worse depression-wise if I didn't use it? No way to know, can't measure, but I know the light box has no negative side effects so I continue to use it. I actually get up early now, having a cup of coffee and enjoying my quiet time before my husband gets up. For my entire life I used to hit the snooze button on my alarm repeatedly, I have never ever been a person who wakes up easily.

Long story but want to let you know I didn't even notice the change in my willingness to get up until months later. Maybe even a year later. I didn't use it because of sleep. In this post you asked if anyone used a light box to regulate sleep and I want to encourage you to try it. Not magic, not like taking a pill for a headache and getting some relief. Just one part of a puzzle piece that may help you feel better in the long run. And like anything in life, it won't be useful for everyone. It does help me.

PS - I still don't go to bed early enough, and still have trouble falling asleep. What's different is that I will get up in the morning regardless.
Thanks for your reply. It's great to hear that the light box has helped you.
Just to clarify, I didn't buy the lamp to use for sleep apnea. I do have sleep apnea, but I'm using the CPAP gear for that. I got the lamp because I have a circadian rhythm disorder, as well...Non-24-Hour Sleep-Wake Disorder. It's just as annoying as it sounds! :roll: I started going to a sleep doctor when I found out I had sleep apnea, a few months ago, and he diagnosed me with that as well.
You mentioned that you didn't notice your body clock was changing, and that's totally understandable when you're using it for a different reason. In my case, because I'm using it for that reason, I am looking out for changes right from the start. :lol: A part of my problem now is that, (presumably) because I'm getting refreshing sleep from using CPAP, I wake up after about four hours of sleep and can't go back to sleep, or if I do, it's hours later because I'm still tired from only having the four hours. Even if I stay awake all day, and have no nap, I still only get about four hours the next night.
Last time I saw the sleep doctor, he gave me a list of things to do, to (hopefully) get my sleeping times on track, including using Melatonin at night and going out in the sun first thing in the morning for half an hour. It's winter in Australia at the moment, so that's why I wanted to find out if light boxes had been helpful to people. It's a bit cold to be sitting outside first thing in the morning. My sleep doctor said to see him again in about six weeks, so I'm guessing he expects there'll be some changes by then. Can only hope. Fingers crossed. :D