Aerophagia No More!

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:40 pm

Lifeisabeach wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:54 pm
Huh. That is interesting. I'm not one who's typically into alternative medicine myself either, but I've seen and experienced a few things that keeps my mind open. It could be a coincidence, but then according to one site I'm reading, turmeric is supposed to help "calm" the upper digestive track by getting rid of gas. So if you were having a problem with gassiness in your stomach or small bowel that was contributing to you being prone to experiencing aerophagia, then yeah, I can see how that would help.
as i say i have no sources to back up my claim.

now that i'm NOT taking it, will be interested to see if i revert to aerophagia or not.
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:42 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 pm
I have considered giving it a shot . . .
BUT!
can you give me the link to that source, please?

if this works and aerophagia is gone, i don't want to recommend it without disclosing the side effects.

thanks!
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by jnk... » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:09 pm

I'm not so sure it's a matter of magical thinking vs. nonmagical thinking. There are things that work for me in the way my body reacts that do not work that way for others at all, and I sure ain't magical.

And there are some well-researched medications that have one effect on me but have the opposite effect on many others. Just as an example, diphenhydramine calms my nerves but gives some other people's nerves the jingle-jangles.

Science doesn't so much debunk what does or does not work for individuals--medical science is only interested in what works consistently for large portions of populations. The human body is way too complicated for science to have any conclusions on individual responses. Anecdotal evidence IS evidence. The point for population-based approaches is only how reliably the majority of people respond to something over time.

Anything that tips body chemicals and processes in any direction at all has the potential to be the substance or circumstance that causes YOUR body to cross a line one way or the other. You know your body and what has a tendency to have an effect on you. If you are in-tune enough to notice and to make a note of the effect of a mostly harmless substance on your body, emotions, or mind, use that substance however you wish to get beneficial effects. Just keep in mind that the effects may not be so beneficial for everyone when they try it--which proves nothing at all either way about how beneficial it is for you. And coming off of it for a while proves nothing, really, either way, if it was a beneficial effect over time that allowed some healing to take place.

Personal perceptions have power. The placebo effect is real and often beneficial. Skeptics like me miss out sometimes. And the instinct to share what works for you is the right instinct to have, even when a number of us tend to take potshots at most anything not supported by reams of official literature over decades of time about hundreds of thousands of people. And in the case of what you mention, there is plenty of evidence of it having a meaningful beneficial effect on some: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6471759/

The sort of source the frog may have used: http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=000932
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 pm

zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:37 pm
so, this is a legitimate question, because i suck at "gotcha" questions and think they are rather rude.

believing that the complex i take is eliminating my aerophagia is magical thinking.

yet believing that i spontaneously shed my aerophagia after four plus years of enduring it isn't magical thinking.

which do you think it is?
Don't forget, you and I had a PM exchange in which I proposed a possible rationale for the results you reported:
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Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:49 am
The CPAP air must push through the upper and lower esophageal sphincters to get to the stomach. For various reasons, primarily acid reflux, these sphincters may be weak/damaged. This allows the CPAP air to pass through.

If your magic cure somehow helps heal the sphincters ... you know the rest.

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:40 pm

jnk... wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:09 pm
Science doesn't so much debunk what does or does not work for individuals--medical science is only interested in what works consistently for large portions of populations.
You probably didn't mean that. All studies published in legitimate peer-reviewed journals refer to subpopulations that had side effects and/or found the treatment ineffective.

My own doctors have said, "Various treatments, that work for many people, are available. We have to find out which one works for YOU as an individual."

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by jnk... » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:11 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:40 pm
jnk... wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:09 pm
Science doesn't so much debunk what does or does not work for individuals--medical science is only interested in what works consistently for large portions of populations.
You probably didn't mean that. All studies published in legitimate peer-reviewed journals refer to subpopulations that had side effects and/or found the treatment ineffective.

My own doctors have said, "Various treatments, that work for many people, are available. We have to find out which one works for YOU as an individual."
I find no contradiction between the wording of my point and my understanding of your doctor's point. But if you believe you see
some contradiction, go with what your doc said, of course.
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:33 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 pm
zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:37 pm
so, this is a legitimate question, because i suck at "gotcha" questions and think they are rather rude.

believing that the complex i take is eliminating my aerophagia is magical thinking.

yet believing that i spontaneously shed my aerophagia after four plus years of enduring it isn't magical thinking.

which do you think it is?
Don't forget, you and I had a PM exchange in which I proposed a possible rationale for the results you reported:
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:49 am
The CPAP air must push through the upper and lower esophageal sphincters to get to the stomach. For various reasons, primarily acid reflux, these sphincters may be weak/damaged. This allows the CPAP air to pass through.

If your magic cure somehow helps heal the sphincters ... you know the rest.
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:07 pm

zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:42 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 pm
I have considered giving it a shot . . .
BUT!
can you give me the link to that source, please?

if this works and aerophagia is gone, i don't want to recommend it without disclosing the side effects.

thanks!
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:11 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:07 pm
zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:42 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 pm
I have considered giving it a shot . . .
BUT!
can you give me the link to that source, please?

if this works and aerophagia is gone, i don't want to recommend it without disclosing the side effects.

thanks!
Doggone it!
You made wet my lilypad.
lol, what? you quoted side effects in your post, which i trimmed out. it had quotes around it and everything.

don't know why that made you laugh, but could you tell me the source that you quoted?

thanks.
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:30 pm

zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:11 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:07 pm
zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:42 pm
chunkyfrog wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 pm
I have considered giving it a shot . . .
BUT!
can you give me the link to that source, please?

if this works and aerophagia is gone, i don't want to recommend it without disclosing the side effects.

thanks!
Doggone it!
You made wet my lilypad.
lol, what? you quoted side effects in your post, which i trimmed out. it had quotes around it and everything.

don't know why that made you laugh, but could you tell me the source that you quoted?

thanks.
Sorry.
I had to find it again.

http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=000932
WebMd, and Drugs.com, and several others have similar articles.
I identified the Penn State text by where they spelled turmeric "tumeric" in one spot.
I don't expect everyone to be an ace speller, sometimes a spelling fail helps identify authorship,
especially when content is so close.

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:49 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:30 pm

http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=000932
WebMd, and Drugs.com, and several others have similar articles.
I identified the Penn State text by where they spelled turmeric "tumeric" in one spot.
I don't expect everyone to be an ace speller, sometimes a spelling fail helps identify authorship,
especially when content is so close.
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by jnk... » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:03 pm

I didn't realize I was on Zonker's foe list now.
jnk... wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:09 pm
The sort of source the frog may have used: http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=000932
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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:30 pm

jnk... wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:03 pm
I didn't realize I was on Zonker's foe list now.
jnk... wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:09 pm
The sort of source the frog may have used: http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/conten ... gid=000932
Several very similar articles, with only one sporting the misspelled word.

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by Hang Fire » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:43 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 pm
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:49 pm
The CPAP air must push through the upper and lower esophageal sphincters to get to the stomach. For various reasons, primarily acid reflux, these sphincters may be weak/damaged. This allows the CPAP air to pass through.

If your magic cure somehow helps heal the sphincters ... you know the rest.
If you read more carefully, you would have seen that zonker said,
from the very first night, i no longer have aerophagia.
If he has damaged sphincters, there is nothing that will heal them in one day. There is something else going on here. My guess is placebo.

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Re: Aerophagia No More!

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:28 am

I have read that drug reactions with turmeric are mostly mild to moderate; (drugs.com)
and it was noted somewhere that risk increases with quantity,
culinary application being fairly safe.
I take several meds on the list, so my intake of turmeric will be in food only.
And I am not that fond of Indian food . . .

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