Question on the myAir app

jimbud · Post by **jimbud** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:06 pm

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:31 am
Thank you for making my point.... twice.

Testy aren't we.

JPB

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 12:34 pm

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:06 am
Geez, what is it with so many people being pricks on these threads? I simply asked if anyone else has seen this or if they have thoughts why that could happen?

You're asking, more like demanding, that we guess, and we don't like to guess.

Hulk · Post by **Hulk** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:11 pm

I show 100% fit with my FFM on my phone app for 28/30 days I've been using my CPAP ... I did like @pugsy said and manually leaked it a few time and was able to get 99% on the app twice. When I went for my one month check the office was able to pull far more detail to see that there was some leaking but nothing significant.

I am going to have to get OSCAR for my computer because I'm a data nerd ... but I would not worry that you are getting a 100% fit recording on the app, especially if your sleep quality is improving with the FFM.

jsmit86 · Post by **jsmit86** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:01 pm

Since the OP was asking about the MyAir app, let me post some info.
First, OSCAR is needed for any real therapy adjustments, so you’ve received excellent advice here.
I posted some data here a few months back, and was able to make a couple of tweaks that have improved my sleep significantly.

Having said that, I have not bothered pulling that data recently since all is well. I do look at the MyAir data most days just to see if AHIs are still good, and I also do look at the leak data.

You will note in the graphic below that leak for the 15th-19th is almost non-existent, but you do see the purple line/bar at the very bottom.
The 11th/14th were after a new cushion change, and it was not really snug.
This is just to help the OP to make sure he knows how to view that graph.

As stated in the posts above, for a more thorough analysis, you need to use Oscar/Sleepy Head.

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Nthernlgts · Post by **Nthernlgts** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:11 pm

Thank you, jsmit86. This is getting closer to addressing my
original question. I wasnt asking anyone to analyze data, just if they had seen anything similar with leak rates on the different masks. I am seeing very similar
data with the myAir app and with Oscar, that being (for me) the amount of air leakage drops to basically zero with the full face mask vs. the nasal mask. I think my being a side sleeper plays into this as well. I also took pugsy’s advice and forced an air leak. Twice, for about 2 minutes each on the 24th. On the 20th-22nd I wore the nasal mask. The other days, the full face mask. The myAir file showing this is attached, and the leak did show up. I was seeing similar data in Oscar too.

For me it does appear the full face mask does drop the airleak to basically nothing vs. a nasal mask. Thanks again.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:38 pm

Your original question stated there wasn't any leak at all.

In fact you were so adamant that there was no leak you repeated it multiple times and emphasized no leak at all.

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:56 pm
myAir app does not seem to measure ANY air leak measurement at all when I wear the full mask.

To be clear, the issue isnt that the air leak has dropped (which would be great), its that there is no measurement at all.

It was explained to you that the tool you used to draw your conclusions simply did not have the granularity to measure such small leak rates. That there might not have been enough leak to measure.

You wouldn't accept any of those answers and called the responders a bunch of pricks.

It now seems that the responders were in fact correct, and you've changed your description from absolutely no leak, to leakage drops to basically zero.

Guess what? Absolutely no leak is not the same as basically zero.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:38 pm

It now seems that the responders were in fact correct, and you've changed your description from absolutely no leak, to leakage drops to basically zero.

Guess what? Absolutely no leak is not the same as basically zero.

education, how does it work?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:12 pm

zonker wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:38 pm

It now seems that the responders were in fact correct, and you've changed your description from absolutely no leak, to leakage drops to basically zero.

Guess what? Absolutely no leak is not the same as basically zero.
education, how does it work?

Apparently, all too often, it doesn't.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:48 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:12 pm

zonker wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:38 pm

It now seems that the responders were in fact correct, and you've changed your description from absolutely no leak, to leakage drops to basically zero.

Guess what? Absolutely no leak is not the same as basically zero.
education, how does it work?
Apparently, all too often, it doesn't.

sadly so.

Nthernlgts · Post by **Nthernlgts** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:52 am

zonker wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:48 pm

palerider wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:12 pm

zonker wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:38 pm

It now seems that the responders were in fact correct, and you've changed your description from absolutely no leak, to leakage drops to basically zero.

Guess what? Absolutely no leak is not the same as basically zero.
education, how does it work?
Apparently, all too often, it doesn't.
sadly so.

At the time I sent the original post on the 18th.... the full face mask was in fact reading 0.00 L/min on leakage for the first 3 days I had worn it. That hasnt changed and was why I asked the question to begin with. To be clear....again.... I wasnt asking for data to be analyzed (or I would have given it). I was just asking if anyone had experienced this before. Then came the comments about myAir is lame and needing my data and all that. Figuratively speaking, I was asking for the time of day... not how to build a watch.

SINCE THEN, there HAVE been a few nights where there has been a leak with this mask, but it has been very minimal (1.2 L/min). Again, AT THE TIME the original post was sent, the readings were all 0.00. That changed and I was trying to give an accurate update, hence the posted graph and changed description on my part. But by all means... hop on the soap box with the comments on 'education, how does it work' and 'sadly so' & all that. Look, I'm just some guy tying to learn & deal with all this as well as the heart issue that has come along with it. I still question the 0.00 L/min readings, but maybe it is accurate.

I'll take criticism when its due. My apologies for offending anyone. There is also such a thing as actually answering the question asked, or not and simply scrolling on. Some people have actually tried to do that, and its very appreciated.

zonker · Post by **zonker** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:09 pm

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:52 am

But by all means... hop on the soap box with the comments on 'education, how does it work' and 'sadly so' & all that. Look, I'm just some guy tying to learn & deal with all this as well as the heart issue that has come along with it. I still question the 0.00 L/min readings, but maybe it is accurate.

[quote/]
thanks for picking me out to respond to. makes me feel all tingly.

jimbud · Post by **jimbud** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:10 pm

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:52 am

I'll take criticism when its due. My apologies for offending anyone. There is also such a thing as actually answering the question asked, or not and simply scrolling on. Some people have actually tried to do that, and its very appreciated.

by Nthernlgts » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:56 pm
Have any of you seen this? Thoughts?

jimbud says:

Try leaving out the word thoughts with the question mark behind it next time.

Just a suggestion.
You are welcome.

JPB

slowriter · Post by **slowriter** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:07 pm

I think MyAir reports the same leak data as the OSCAR summary leak data (from what I can tell, it's the 95% number); which in both cases comes from the machine.

I do frequently get 0 leaks reported, but I can't imagine that on a FFM. Maybe you're lucky?

Either way, I wouldn't necessarily discount it.

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:37 pm

Nthernlgts wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:52 am

At the time I sent the original post on the 18th.... the full face mask was in fact reading 0.00 L/min on leakage for the first 3 days I had worn it. That hasnt changed and was why I asked the question to begin with. To be clear....again.... I wasnt asking for data to be analyzed (or I would have given it). I was just asking if anyone had experienced this before. Then came the comments about myAir is lame and needing my data and all that. Figuratively speaking, I was asking for the time of day... not how to build a watch.

SINCE THEN, there HAVE been a few nights where there has been a leak with this mask, but it has been very minimal (1.2 L/min). Again, AT THE TIME the original post was sent, the readings were all 0.00. That changed and I was trying to give an accurate update, hence the posted graph and changed description on my part. But by all means... hop on the soap box with the comments on 'education, how does it work' and 'sadly so' & all that. Look, I'm just some guy tying to learn & deal with all this as well as the heart issue that has come along with it. I still question the 0.00 L/min readings, but maybe it is accurate.

I'll take criticism when its due. My apologies for offending anyone. There is also such a thing as actually answering the question asked, or not and simply scrolling on. Some people have actually tried to do that, and its very appreciated.

Then why aren't you taking your criticism?

MyAir does NOT report the mask leakage for the night.

It reports the 95% number, a 0.0 leak does not mean absolutely no leak, as you stated. This was explained to you.

You keep expecting people to answer your original question. Your original question can't be answered because it's not based in fact.

slowriter wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:07 pm
I think MyAir reports the same leak data as the OSCAR summary leak data (from what I can tell, it's the 95% number); which in both cases comes from the machine.

This was explained to the OP almost immediately after he asked his question. He didn't accept it, and retaliated by calling responders a bunch of pricks.

slowriter · Post by **slowriter** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:42 pm

Ah, thanks; I obviously missed that.

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