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zoocrewphoto wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:33 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:40 pm

Julie wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Excuse me DS, but when's the last time YOU checked on vaping? I'm talking about days old info from very legit sites... I think you need to read more. This isn't about quitting smoking but staying alive - vaping IS very dangerous to many and you need to update your spiel.

How about posting some links to peer reviewed studies to back your claim. I would love to see credible evidence one way or the other on vaping.

There have been several stories on the news this week about vaping and serious problems. Nicotine is still a dangerous chemical and very addictive. It also varies how much nicotine and other chemicals are in the various batches that people buy.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... s-n1044216

This first link was on the news a couple nights ago. They had several people (who have not smoked or vaped previously) have an mri before and after vaping.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 081792001/

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... out-vaping

Thank you for the links. I am looking for peer reviewed studies like your first link.

The second one is sensationalized a lung illness that has hit 153 people "Several health departments are now linking street vapes containing THC or synthetic drugs to these illnesses,". This is street drugs which are quit different than lab tested concentrates. The third one is an opinion piece from a doctor who said "1: Vaping Is Less Harmful Than Traditional Smoking.
E-cigarettes heat nicotine (extracted from tobacco), flavorings and other chemicals to create a water vapor that you inhale. Regular tobacco cigarettes contain 7,000 chemicals, many of which are toxic. "

My friends doctor has recommended cbd's and as we live in a state where cbd is legal I am wondering tincture vrs vape related to independently lab tested concentrate. Finding credible non biased sources has been nearly impossible. There is just a whole lot of misinformation out there.

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 pm

zoocrewphoto wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:33 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:40 pm

Julie wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Excuse me DS, but when's the last time YOU checked on vaping? I'm talking about days old info from very legit sites... I think you need to read more. This isn't about quitting smoking but staying alive - vaping IS very dangerous to many and you need to update your spiel.

How about posting some links to peer reviewed studies to back your claim. I would love to see credible evidence one way or the other on vaping.

There have been several stories on the news this week about vaping and serious problems. Nicotine is still a dangerous chemical and very addictive. It also varies how much nicotine and other chemicals are in the various batches that people buy.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... s-n1044216

This first link was on the news a couple nights ago. They had several people (who have not smoked or vaped previously) have an mri before and after vaping.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 081792001/

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... out-vaping

Thank you for the links. I am looking for peer reviewed studies like your first link.

The second one is sensationalized a lung illness that has hit 153 people "Several health departments are now linking street vapes containing THC or synthetic drugs to these illnesses,". This is street drugs which are quit different than lab tested concentrates. The third one is an opinion piece from a doctor who said "1: Vaping Is Less Harmful Than Traditional Smoking.
E-cigarettes heat nicotine (extracted from tobacco), flavorings and other chemicals to create a water vapor that you inhale. Regular tobacco cigarettes contain 7,000 chemicals, many of which are toxic. "

My friends doctor has recommended cbd's and as we live in a state where cbd is legal I am wondering tincture vrs vape related to independently lab tested concentrate. Finding credible non biased sources has been nearly impossible. There is just a whole lot of misinformation out there.

Actually, the one from Johns Hopkins went through several things and explained why vaping is not as harmless as people believe.

I was trying to find the one that was on the new recently where a guy is on life support because of vaping.

And, there have been many news reports that the juice offered at various places can vary from batch to batch, and you really don't know is in them. Some of them have way more nicotine that the people thought, so they were thinking they were doing better than cigarettes, but they were actually taking in a lot more. The news stories I saw did not mention cbd or buying stuff on the street. I have some good friends who vape, and I really worry about them. They really believe it is safe, and that they do not smoke.

Since the nicotine content of vaping "juices" is not regulated,
some "vapers" have ended up in ER's with nicotine poisoning.
It can be deadly--avoid off-brand or home-made products,
and consider it a step toward QUITTING, not a permanent alternative.

WhiteAngel wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:18 am

does anyone else feel like it is just a new money making thing?

No, you're DEAD wrong about that.

WhiteAngel wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:18 am

Wouldn't my O2 machine be just fine even if the apnea is severe?

And, how would that O2 get into your lungs if YOU ARE NOT BREATHING???!

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:15 pm

Julie wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:54 am

Being overweight is now often thought to be a result of OAS, not the other way around.

Have you read the latest on vaping? It's considered to be very damaging very early on and was not tested in asthmatics, more so in generally younger otherwise healthy people. You need to stop yesterday if you're still doing it.

You need to get your information regarding vaping from actual studies instead of Facebook shares.

Didn't you not notice the OP say she recently quit smoking and now vapes occasionally? Vaping has demonstrated itself to be the most effective tobacco cessation products used to date. The harm reduction, compared to tobacco products is 100 fold.

I'm not suggesting that people should take up vaping, nor that vaping is good for you, but vaping to stop smoking has saves thousands upon thousands of lives yearly, despite uninformed people scaring people away and trying to get it banned.

Your'e hurting people, stop.

However, there IS this: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-hea ... 7-n1044281

Okay on the vaping. Enough. Please!!!

I vape so I don't smoke. Smoked for over 40 years and I have completely stopped and that is a good thing. Sheeeeeesh

I haven't smoked for over a year and I am VERY proud of that. I will stop the vaping also and am lowering my dose of nicotine that I get from juice that is from a reputable company.

zoocrewphoto wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:58 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 pm

zoocrewphoto wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:33 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:40 pm

Julie wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Excuse me DS, but when's the last time YOU checked on vaping? I'm talking about days old info from very legit sites... I think you need to read more. This isn't about quitting smoking but staying alive - vaping IS very dangerous to many and you need to update your spiel.

How about posting some links to peer reviewed studies to back your claim. I would love to see credible evidence one way or the other on vaping.

There have been several stories on the news this week about vaping and serious problems. Nicotine is still a dangerous chemical and very addictive. It also varies how much nicotine and other chemicals are in the various batches that people buy.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... s-n1044216

This first link was on the news a couple nights ago. They had several people (who have not smoked or vaped previously) have an mri before and after vaping.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 081792001/

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... out-vaping

Thank you for the links. I am looking for peer reviewed studies like your first link.

The second one is sensationalized a lung illness that has hit 153 people "Several health departments are now linking street vapes containing THC or synthetic drugs to these illnesses,". This is street drugs which are quit different than lab tested concentrates. The third one is an opinion piece from a doctor who said "1: Vaping Is Less Harmful Than Traditional Smoking.
E-cigarettes heat nicotine (extracted from tobacco), flavorings and other chemicals to create a water vapor that you inhale. Regular tobacco cigarettes contain 7,000 chemicals, many of which are toxic. "

My friends doctor has recommended cbd's and as we live in a state where cbd is legal I am wondering tincture vrs vape related to independently lab tested concentrate. Finding credible non biased sources has been nearly impossible. There is just a whole lot of misinformation out there.

Actually, the one from Johns Hopkins went through several things and explained why vaping is not as harmless as people believe.

I was trying to find the one that was on the new recently where a guy is on life support because of vaping.

And, there have been many news reports that the juice offered at various places can vary from batch to batch, and you really don't know is in them. Some of them have way more nicotine that the people thought, so they were thinking they were doing better than cigarettes, but they were actually taking in a lot more. The news stories I saw did not mention cbd or buying stuff on the street. I have some good friends who vape, and I really worry about them. They really believe it is safe, and that they do not smoke.

I just quoted from the news articles you linked. I don't have an opinion one way or the other on nicotine vape as I don't smoke. I am just trying to figure out if medical cbd, lab tested, recommended by a doctor is safe to vape.

If you want to continue this discussion we should probably start a different thread so we are not cluttering up this one.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:15 pm

You need to get your information regarding vaping from actual studies instead of Facebook shares.

With all due respect, you first. Please include cites to reputable peer reviewed journal studies that support your claims.

The last time I did a deep dive on this was probably a year or so ago and my conclusions were: a) Very unregulated -- and untested -- so who knows what is in most products; b) Flavorings were poorly studied but could be problematic in some instances; c) Vaping is fairly new so there is no long-term longitudinal studies; d) Lots of claims -- not lots of high quality longer term studies.

But science has moved on and the news is generally not positive around vaping. Still, the research suggests that vaping remains significantly less harmful than smoking.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:15 pm

Didn't you not notice the OP say she recently quit smoking and now vapes occasionally? Vaping has demonstrated itself to be the most effective tobacco cessation products used to date. The harm reduction, compared to tobacco products is 100 fold.

While the consensus is that e-cigs are safer, I am unaware of any evidence to support the 100 fold claim. There are some (fairly infrequent) reports of the devices exploding, seizure (likely nicotine poisoning), and lung disease. There is also some correlative (observational) studies around increased risk of stroke and cardiac events from vaping.

I have seen little to support your claim about vaping being the most effective cessation product. I would add that there is plenty of evidence that some consumers are starting with vape and transitioning to cigarettes.

Given the various pulmonary issues of the OP, it is worth noting the link between vaping and wheezing. Please see:
https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/ ... 018-054694

and the impact of even nicotine free e-cigs may have on blood vessels:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 101601.htm

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:15 pm

I'm not suggesting that people should take up vaping, nor that vaping is good for you, but vaping to stop smoking has saves thousands upon thousands of lives yearly, despite uninformed people scaring people away and trying to get it banned.

Your'e hurting people, stop.

In general, I espouse the harm reduction model in matters pertaining to public health (something is better than nothing). Yes, on balance, someone who has fully transitioned from cigarettes to vaping (all other things being equal) has reduced their risk. But not as much if they were neither vaping nor smoking.

I would love to see a study that supports the thousands upon thousands per year figure -- care to share?

Nobody here suggested that vaping should be banned. Given what we know about vaping at this point, I imagine most pulmonologists would strongly encourage people, particularly those with breathing issues (including, but not limited to, COPD and asthma), to avoid breathing all sorts of things (vape, cigarette smoke, particulates, etc.)

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 pm

I am just trying to figure out if medical cbd, lab tested, recommended by a doctor is safe to vape.

One thing to be aware of is that CBD (and THC for that matter) can bind with cytochrome p450 enzymes and thus can interact with meds processed using that same pathway. If you are taking any other meds, I would consult with your doc and pharmacist about the issue. (Personally, I would avoid vaping and research alternative approaches -- which I have not done -- such as sublingual or creams).

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 pm

I just quoted from the news articles you linked. I don't have an opinion one way or the other on nicotine vape as I don't smoke. I am just trying to figure out if medical cbd, lab tested, recommended by a doctor is safe to vape.

If you want to continue this discussion we should probably start a different thread so we are not cluttering up this one.

It was their first section of the article. 2: Vaping Is Still Bad for Your Health. If you stopped at the first paragraph, then you missed most of the article.

I am not here to discuss vaping. I am concerned that many young people are being misled about vaping (not here, specifically), but in a lot of places. I do not want new people to read something that vaping is good and not see the other side of the argument.

While it does help many people to stop smoking, and it is *not as bad*; it is by no means good. People are quitting smoking should continue to move off the vaping (as the OP is doing). And nobody who doesn't smoke should actually start vaping. It is a risky habit.

I also believe that we need to re-educate people. People who vape think they do not smoke. They are inhaling fumes with nicotine. There really isn't much difference between smoke and vaper. I think it is misleading to say that somebody is not smoking when they are inhaling heated nicotine and various chemicals.

I do understand. I had gallbladder surgery 6 weeks ago, and I have had to cut back on fatty foods. Compared to what I was eating before surgery, I am eating much better. But to say I am eating healthy? That's a bit of a stretch. Just less bad than before. Have there been health improvements? Yes. I have lost a little weight, and my cholestorol numbers are good now. But nobody would look at my meals (and my soda) and claim that I eat healthy.

When the doctors ask me questions, I tell the truth. Years ago, I would hide some of my misdeeds because I was embarrassed. But I realized they can't help me if I don't tell them the whole truth. If people claim they don't smoke, but don't say they vape, then they would be severely misleading their doctor.

Okay folks....let's get back on topic as things have drifted a bit .....again.

The OP made a specific request...

WhiteAngel wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:07 pm

Okay on the vaping. Enough. Please!!!

While it does make for a interesting discussion....how about taking it to its own thread?

In case anyone has forgotten...the topic was mainly about OSA sleep study results and understanding the results.
Maybe go back and read the first post to refresh your memory.

Thank you Pugsy

It is all so very confusing to me.

Have come to the conclusion I will be on Pap of some sort in a few months or however long it takes them to get it all done. Since I will go in for a titration study (or should I just have them give me an auto and go from there?) is there anything I should be asking for?

Is there any type of machine or head gear I shouldn't let them try to push on me. Yes, this is where I think the racket mainly is - they get money for all those machines and supplies and that is a big business - which in turn makes me so very skeptical as I don't know they will have my best interests in mind?

I watched the medical field fail my mom and refuse to listen to me and she died. I don't want to die and I'll be danged if I will allow them to screw me more than already has happened. I want to be so well educated about this, that I will make their heads spin.

Start your education here
https://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/
and here
https://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/what- ... me-part-i/

A bit dated in terms of model names since there are some newer model lines but the basics are unchanged.

Masks...that comes with a big YMMV sticker. One person's treasure is the next person's trash.
If you don't have chronic nasal issues that force you to mouth breath....look at the least obtrusive masks in terms of footprint on your face or head....Nasal pillow or nasal masks.
Heck, look at the one I use...no head gear at all. I hate the headgear...gives me dents on my beautiful cheeks even with padded straps.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Start your education here
https://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/
and here
https://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/what- ... me-part-i/

A bit dated in terms of model names since there are some newer model lines but the basics are unchanged.

Masks...that comes with a big YMMV sticker. One person's treasure is the next person's trash.
If you don't have chronic nasal issues that force you to mouth breath....look at the least obtrusive masks in terms of footprint on your face or head....Nasal pillow or nasal masks.
Heck, look at the one I use...no head gear at all. I hate the headgear...gives me dents on my beautiful cheeks even with padded straps.

$89 bucks for a headgear!!! Yikes! Though I do like it. I have used a nasal cannula for several years and even that is an issue with extremely curly hair. Dents on the cheeks, yes even the cannula does that

Looking at links now. Oh what is YMMV??

WhiteAngel wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:17 pm

Looking at links now. Oh what is YMMV??

YMMV = Your Milage May Vary.

Method of advising, don't expect your results to be the same as others.