Thoughts about Tongue placement

zonker wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:08 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:09 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:51 pm

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:06 am

My tongue needs rest, please.
It has been busy all day--talking, eating, kissing, etc.

catching bugs...

---part of eating.

so, i take it you aren't in favor of catch and release?

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO STARVE CHUNKY?

RE: catch and release.
Not usually.
Unless I snag a wasp, of course.

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:10 pm

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO STARVE CHUNKY?

um, so she can become SLIMfrog?

gzimmer wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:00 am

And how CPAP pressure holds it in place.

Except CPAP does NOT keep the tongue in place. And that seems to be your main point. If CPAP were capable of keeping of keeping the tongue in place, it would be difficult to move the tongue while using cpap. And yet the tongue is very easy to move around while using cpap. I am puzzled why this doesn't seem obvious to you.

I think this is an important point.

if air is leaking through the mouth then the tongue is hard to control with CPAP pressure due to reduced pressure differential...

even if air is not leaking through the mouth but tongue is not in place (rested on the roof of mouth), then the air pressure below and above the tongue should be similar, and basically no pressure differences.

also, the shape of tongue matters as well as the mass of the tongue: a wide and thin tongue is easier to treat than a narrow and thick tongue... if you have wide and thick tongue, then it could be harder since the tongue would be so massive... narrow and thin tongue, well, you OSA/UARS probably is not caused by the tongue since it's small, unless the airway is so limited in volume...

In a word, it's complicated. But from my own experience, I think this post makes a lot of sense.

musculus wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:14 pm

In a word, it's complicated. But from my own experience, I think this post makes a lot of sense.

Only if you ignore all the other factors involved in OSA.

I am reminded of the old fable of the blind men describing an elephant.
Each one knows only that which he has personally EXPERIENCED.
I can breathe around my tongue, even with the tip slammed up to my hard palate.
My soft palate moves to control the direction of airflow--consciously, or not.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:07 pm

I am reminded of the old fable of the blind men describing an elephant,

It all depends on where you are standing.
I try to hang out around the front.
JPB

The smell is a dead giveaway.

My Tongue gets me in a lot of trouble, i'd hate to be stepping and tripping on it too. Jim

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200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

Regardless of what others say. Your Tongue closing off your airway is the main cause of "Obstructive" sleep Apnea.

You against the world, eh?

200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

What's the one difference when you sleep? Your Tongue relaxes and falls back closing off your airway.

That's on possibility, but by no means is it the only cause.

Otherwise, people that sleep on their sides or stomach and still have obstructive apnea, wouldn't.

CPAP/BIPAP just uses pressure to inflate the airway open again. I know I'm being overly simplistic.[/quote]
Well, THAT we agree on.

200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

I have an AirCurve 10 VAuto and a ResMed S9 VPAP AVS Auto and my own sleep lab so I've been able to dial in my AHI score to almost 0 every night. I would be dead now without a Bipap machine over the last 30 years.

From what you say, you don't HAVE a "Bipap" machine, because only Respironics makes a "BiPAP"... and did you mean "ASV"?

200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

I'm not saying to get off your CPAP/BIPAP, but many have with a cheap newer device called a Tongue Tube, Tongue sleeve or Tongue Retainer.

I wonder if this acct has been hacked... 4 posts in 14 years, and two of 'em pushing this .... stuff.

200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

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200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

Regardless of what others say. Your Tongue closing off your airway is the main cause of "Obstructive" sleep Apnea. I'm not talking about central apnea, That's an entirely different issue. Yes you can blame large tonsils, soft palate (uvula), fat deposits, jaw position etc,.. but if you could correct your Tongue position when you sleep, you can correct most cases of "Obstructive" sleep Apnea.

I don't think this is a true statement. My understanding is most cases are caused by the soft tissues in your throat closing.

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:18 pm

200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:42 pm

Regardless of what others say. Your Tongue closing off your airway is the main cause of "Obstructive" sleep Apnea. I'm not talking about central apnea, That's an entirely different issue. Yes you can blame large tonsils, soft palate (uvula), fat deposits, jaw position etc,.. but if you could correct your Tongue position when you sleep, you can correct most cases of "Obstructive" sleep Apnea.

I don't think this is a true statement. My understanding is most cases are caused by the soft tissues in your throat closing.

200mph has it all wrong.
Nobody's tongue can cause apnea unless it is hideously large.
Then it would completely block the airway and he'd be dead within minutes.

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200mph wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:53 pm

Do you really think it's soft tissue that relaxes as you sleep or the eight muscles of your tongue?

I think, that like most people that focus in on one thing and say "THAT'S THE PROBLEM" ...

You're oversimplifying.