Military Going Keto?

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:54 am

prodigyplace wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:46 am

I miss the CPAP relevance or perhaps you missed the [OT] tag in the subject?

Oh, gawd. You're one of those.

You're just now noticing?

OT--maybe not!
" . . . side effects such as:
Headache
Fatigue
Brain fog
Irritability
Constipation
Trouble sleeping
Nausea
Stomachache
Dizziness
Sugar cravings
Cramps
Sore muscles
Bad breath . . ."

Grace~~~ wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 pm

When I pulled this up yesterday the story on the sidebar was about "Keto Crotch" which I had never heard about so I read.

Today in my inbox and all over different sites I am getting Keto Crotch pop ups.
The pictures are hilarious ....

Do y'all think Keto Crotch is a real thing?

Oh Gawd, keto crotch BS again???

The keto crotch baloney was traced to some grain based industry PR games. There's a lot of industry out there that's vested in having people continue to keep the grain industry in business like the PR firm for Barilla pasta. They have a vested interest in keeping you fat, sick and addicted to grain products and sugars. So this is the crap they pull to try to scare people away from keto. https://twitter.com/johnzahorik/status/ ... 9511962624 (start with the 4th tweet in that thread).

See also https://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/2 ... onspiracy/

My favorite irony with all of this. One of the dietitians (Andrea Hardy, RD) who wrote an article (paid media) about the horrors of keto crotch admitted in the article she wrote that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for keto crotch, but she thinks it's still a thing. And she made a TED talk. Guess what the theme of her TED talk was? "In my TEDx talk, I talk about the role fear plays in food marketing, 'nutrition information overload' as well as what YOU can do to navigate complex nutrition messages online!"

WOW Janknitz - That is fascinating and crazy and far more unsettling than it should be ...

They absolutely targeted me somehow? I clicked on the Military going Keto article and then it was a nonstop barrage of horrible spam and pictures. The same ones in your link.

This is a new computer too. Only a few weeks old and I haven't really brought old stuff over from my old computer?

I have no idea how all of these viruses and tracking cookies and things work.

Keto Crotch is just the perfect storm of craziness!

Now they'll probably sell us a remedy to cure it!
No doubt it will be coconut oil based

... with a catchy name ? Fat bombs? Crotch bombs?

I'm sure they'll be on it lickety-split ~~~

Grace~~~ wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:05 pm

. . . lickety-split ~~~

Dirty minds have found a solution.

Grace~~~ wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:05 pm

No doubt it will be coconut oil based

Based on the previous posts, I appear to be the only person that is actually on the Keto Diet. It was highly recommended to me by my cardiologist, I asked him if he got kicked out of med school (glad to see at least one cardio doc. that has not been snowed by big Pharma about fats in the diet). I need to lose weight fast before medical problems being caused by weight get worse. (FYI - I am 6'0", 67 yrs. old, and did weight near 240.)

I started about 6-8 weeks ago and have lost 20 pounds so far. I need to lose much more.

The Keto Diet is really hard to keep on top of. As you may know, the recommended calories consumed per day is restricted to 5% carbs, 20% protein, and 75% healthy fats. Five percent carbs are not much and really is the driving factor in achieving weight loss goals. The other two factors are less important but must be watched closely especially the protein level restriction. To get down to 5% carbs is tough on me because I had no easy carbs to dump (I did not eat sugar processed or not, no sugary drinks only water, and unsweet ice tea in restaurants). The two main things that I have had to stop is nearly all fruit, which was a big thing for us, and my steel cut organic oatmeal for breakfast. There were a few other cuts but fresh fruit and oatmeal were the two big ones. In their place, I have added eggs of all types, and more meat again of every type. Don't even think about desserts as most of us know them.

To keep track of all I eat, and their effects on the 3 main calory goals, I have a Carb Manager App on my phone, and tablet, that has an identical web site to access also from my PCs. I do not know how anyone could keep track of all of this without the App or similar. The Keto Diet is complicated.

I do not believe that the Keto Diet is all that expensive since you can hardly eat anything. When we go to the grocery store or Costcos/Sams, our basket is nearly empty since there is very little you can buy. Remember, all fruits are off limits except blackberries and raspberries, no potatoes, or most processed foods (nearly all contain too many carbs). It is really has changed our shopping habits and resulting meals. Also, I have not mentioned that many vegetables push the carb limit. Bell peppers, for example, are rather a high carb veggie, one bell pepper can have 1/3 of my daily total of carbs. It really is a daily balancing act to make sure that by the end of the last meal that I am within the carb limit. Most of the time I am, other times there is a surprise food (like bell peppers) that will throw me above my carb limit.

Going to restaurants is another really big problem. Many times it is so troubling that we don't even bother. We have found that many restaurants will make adjustments, but most of the time the adjustments still leave my plate with too many carbs. And the prices stay the same even though I order a meal with many of the sides removed.

Is this a sustainable diet is the big question. There are many that have made the adjustments and stay with it. For me, I do not know. To get to a desirable weight will probably take another year. After that maybe I can change to the Paleo Diet which is a little less restrictive. Time will tell......

sptrout wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:00 am

the Keto Diet ... you can hardly eat anything.

That's the secret - calorie restriction. Nothing more. (Diabetics are the exception.)

Hang Fire wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:29 pm

sptrout wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:00 am

the Keto Diet ... you can hardly eat anything.

That's the secret - calorie restriction. Nothing more. (Diabetics are the exception.)

Not true. Calories are important, but dropping nearly all the carbs is what makes the Keto diet work, and fast. I would not have lost a pound based strictly on counting calories. The hard part is keeping the carbs down to 20-30 grams per day, while making sure that you do not over do the protein, and find as much fat as possible (not all that easy either). My Carb App watches all these thing and sets limits based on user inputs such as diet goals (weight loss or gain, muscle mass gain, etc.). It also keeps track of calories, but more as a side show. Fiber is also tracked within the App and it is difficult (for me at least) to eat enough foods that are high in fiber without breaking other limits. Oddly, it is hard to even find fiber supplements that do no have a carb or two. The carbs add up quickly, so I have to account for every one, even supplements that have carbs.

As an example, for today's lunch we stopped at Wendy's and we both add their double meat Baconator sandwitch and asked them to delete the bun, which they did (served the meatwich in small salad trays). A perfect Keto meal, but probably a lot of calories (double meat, bacon, and cheese), but only one or two carbs (American Cheese typically has a carb or two). Since we had a very late lunch, dinner is going to be a Kirkland's (Costco) brand hotdog (meat only) with more cheese. May endup high on the protein vs. fat, but low in total carbs. Calories don't really care.

Based on the previous posts, I appear to be the only person that is actually on the Keto Diet. It was highly recommended to me by my cardiologist, I asked him if he got kicked out of med school (glad to see at least one cardio doc. that has not been snowed by big Pharma about fats in the diet). I need to lose weight fast before medical problems being caused by weight get worse. (FYI - I am 6'0", 67 yrs. old, and did weight near 240.)

I've been on a keto diet for 7 years. I lost about 75 lbs and have kept most of it off all this time. My health improved 1000% including my cardiac blood markers, and I've managed not to become diabetic despite significant risk factors. I feel great and eating keto has become second nature to me. I don't find it particularly restrictive.

I don't limit proteins or worry about getting a lot of protein. Your body tells you when you've had enough and there are multiple schools of thought on whether you should eat more protein or less. I don't worry about it, I make sure I get a certain amount each day and beyond that it varies depending on the menu and my appetite. I eat eggs, cheese, meat and fish with a variety of low carb veggies, some nuts, occasional small servings of berries or melon. I very occasionally make low carb treats. We cook mostly from scratch and try to buy organic, local ingredients as much as possible. I don't have any issues eating out, for the most part, it's easy to get a serving of meat or fish and some veggies most places even though the ingredients aren't always the best quality--we don't eat out often in any case. I take my lunch to work, mostly leftovers from the night before. My family eats more on the Mediterranean side of things--they simply add carbs to what I eat--bread, pasta, starchy veg, etc.

Sometimes you have to "choose your hard." Being fat and sick was definitely hard. Keto IS hard, too, but not that hard in comparison. You'll hear people say eating keto is a "Way of Life". Most people give lip service to it, but it has been a way of life for me all this time. I'm quite sure i would not be alive now if it wasn't for keto.

Thank you Janknitz for your suggestions and what I take as words of encouragement for a Keto numbie. One of my biggest problems adapting is learning to like foods that I previously really did not care for that much. Veggies are the main example, never have been a big vegetable eater with some exceptions. Never like Avocados either (a fruit). So my poor wife is stuck trying to figure out what to fix for meals especially dinner and with some variety. So far, the best vegetable dish is green beans (I have always liked those), and a grilled mix of zucchini, squash, fresh Brussels sprouts or Brocolli all cooked with olive or avocado oil. This is also why restaurants are a big problem, vegetable substitutes, even if available, are usually poor at best and you still pay the full price for a plate that I really do not like.

Question: Is your partner on board with you on the Kete Diet? My wife lasted about one day (probably not even that long). She is addicted to sugar and cannot get off the sugar train. Until, or if, she cures this problem she is stuck. Funny, she cooks meals with Keto in mind then turns around and eats sugary crap the rest of the day and even in the middle of the night. I guess she has not figured out the "hard" part as you so well described.

Oh well. I will continue making adjustments to my eating habits and try to learn to like more vegetables.

Like you kind of suggested; make changes or suffer the consequences. Both are difficult, but one is deadly.

My husband is the cook in the family, especially now that he's retired and I work 60+ hours a week. A few years before I went keto he had changed his diet dramatically from a lot of prepared foods heated up (we were both working full time, with young kids and their activities) and eating out to homemade meals from scratch using real, whole foods and natural (not processed) fats. He lost a good deal of weight just from that despite still eating plenty of carbs and sweets.

When I went keto this time he was on board. I had originally done it 19 years ago to treat my PCOS and it worked so well I was pregnant 6 months later (totally unexpected and very much wanted). So he knew the health benefits for me, but our kids and my husband were not willing to be keto themselves. My youngest daughter really needs to be because she has PCOS too, but she's also VERY thin, and can't afford to lose any weight.

The way we work it is that we are all on our own for breakfast and lunch. My husband makes a dinner of a protein plus at least 2 non-starchy veggies and sometimes additional fruit, veggies or side dishes that may or may not be too high in carbs for me to eat. Occasionally the kids want a pasta dish or he will make a pot pie out of chicken leftovers (none of us like the white meat except in other things), and he will either separate out a portion for me before the carbs are added, or I will make and eat something else (leftovers, an omelet, etc). I like veggies, especially with butter or a lemony or cheesy sauce, so that works for me. There's always bread in the house for everyone else. We don't have a lot of junk food in the house, but my husband will buy himself and the kids occasional bags of chips, a box of cereal, and a Friday night dessert treat, plus weekly 2 for 1 ice cream Sundaes at Baskin Robbins. Our youngest is about to go off to college, so there will probably be less of that after next month. Having that stuff around doesn't bother me.

One thing I will tell you is that when you get to a certain point in adaptation, food starts tasting so much better. You can taste the sweetness in brussels sprouts, almonds, cream, onions. Things you never imagined were sweet. I think a lot of people don't eat vegetables because their palates are so jaded from expecting everything to be so sweet that they can't taste the true flavors in food. Ever look at the baby food aisle in stores? In the old days there were jars of pureed meat (pork, lamb, fish, chicken, beef, and liver), now there's FRUIT mixed into nearly EVERY baby food--setting babies up to always expect everything to taste sweet and crave sugar for a lifetime. People add sugar to everything! It's in soups and salad dressings--why??? It can be a pain sometimes, but we make everything from scratch, including salad dressings. I even make my own mayo.

In any case, some people are doing "carnivore" which is essentially keto without veggies. They swear by the benefits. Sounds horrible to me, I'm not that big of a meat fan and I would be bored pretty fast, I think. But the people who do it really claim to feel the benefits. There are ZERO long term studies (except maybe traditional Inuits), so whether this is healthy for the long term I cannot say. Seems to me we get a lot of minerals and vitamins from veggies, but people who do carnivore swear that their bodies get all they need. IMHO, the jury is still out on that. But you might be happier with that so you may want to read up on it.

You can't force this on your wife. She has to reach her own decision, and seeing your results might help her get there, or not. Try not to say "I can do it, so can you". It' has to be her idea.

We make a menu every week and a grocery list. That way my husband doesn't have to struggle to figure out what to make every single day. And we have certain "rules" like fish at least once a week, liver when no kids are home (never got our kids to like it), favorite meats on Friday (I love lamb, he loves beef) etc. I do admit to some carby cheating during the summer especially. I will eat an ear of fresh corn every few weeks in the summer, a few ripe cherries or thin piece of watermelon, a tiny potato here or there. But not every day. I try to really enjoy these things when I have them, then let it go.

Thank you Janknitz for taking the time and effort for providing such a great response. You must be a good writer it take me all day to post a message as long as yours.

Sounds like your family has this diet thing down pat. Just my wife and me here, so far less problems to work around. My wife does all the cooking except breakfast when I am on my own since I get up 2-3 hours before she does. Her breakfast is my lunch (around 11:30). Since I am on my own for breakfast I can keep tight control on what I eat. For other meals, my wife stays within Keto limits but trys to add some variety. SInce she only eats two meals a day, and eats the same two main meals as I do, she is about 90% Keto, plus almost there with intermittent fasting. She would have it made if she would just avoid sweets that totally bomb both Keto rules and breaks fasting. She know that she needs to lose weight, but cannot get past sugar for now. Maybe she will eventually stay away from it some day. For me, not a problem but I sure miss all the fresh fruit we were eating just a few weeks ago. We had to give our daughter and her husband a refrigerator full of fresh and frozen fruits and other odds and ends.

We are trying, using a Carb Manager App really helps me get track of evrything I eat each day. I always stay below 30 carbs, sometimes down to 20 carbs a day. Total fat percentage is near Keto specs, but I would not call much of the fat consumed as "healthly fat." I guess right now fat is fat. The Carb Manager App makes no distinction between good or bad fat. Keeping protein at below 20-25% is difficult since our meals are meat centric and always have been. But, according the App breakdown I am close to the 5-20-75 Keto limits. Kind of fun tracking everything but I am a retired engineer, or computer geek.

For those of you that may be reading this and thinking those folk are crazy, well may be. I have no real choice.

Thanks again Janknitz!

We are trying, using a Carb Manager App really helps me get track of evrything I eat each day. I always stay below 30 carbs, sometimes down to 20 carbs a day. Total fat percentage is near Keto specs, but I would not call much of the fat consumed as "healthly fat." I guess right now fat is fat. The Carb Manager App makes no distinction between good or bad fat. Keeping protein at below 20-25% is difficult since our meals are meat centric and always have been. But, according the App breakdown I am close to the 5-20-75 Keto limits. Kind of fun tracking everything but I am a retired engineer, or computer geek.

Sounds like you are doing great and Carb Manager is very helpful!