Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Free speech allows bullshit; but it also permits rebuttal.
People of conscience are obligated to do so, ESPECIALLY when it is for the common good.

Midwest_non_sleeper wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 11:58 am

Last time I checked, none of us here are a governmental body, so the whole "free speech" issue is a moot point, but usually only to those who completely misunderstand the meaning of the First Amendment.

I thought that blog was a great example of free speech because it was completely free of any useful information whatsoever.

At least for his next post he went completely safe presenting solid facts on a topic with no controversy at all and that he understands even better than his comprehensive knowledge on PAP software: "5 Ways That Vitamin Deficiencies Can Impact Your Sleep."

I hope one day he does a blog explaining how it is those space aliens mess up my AHI some nights.

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:10 pm

Free speech allows bullshit; but it also permits rebuttal.
People of conscience are obligated to do so, ESPECIALLY when it is for the common good.

The First Amendment protects speech that is unpopular, which ironically, is usually the speech that needs protection. Popular speech requires no protection, since the majority agrees with it, thus making it popular. This insures that all speech is heard, popular or not. I am not a fan of "shutting people up". Let the marketplace of ideas decide. Good ideas will rise, bad ideas will sink.

Dr. Breus' idea that people should not be able to manage their own CPAP therapy sinks like a Led Zeppelin, rightfully so.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:18 pm

I thought that blog was a great example of free speech because it was completely free of any useful information whatsoever.

At least for his next post he went completely safe presenting solid facts on a topic with no controversy at all and that he understands even better than his comprehensive knowledge on PAP software: "5 Ways That Vitamin Deficiencies Can Impact Your Sleep."

I hope one day he does a blog explaining how it is those space aliens mess up my AHI some nights.

" . . . Dr. Breus' idea that people should not be able to manage their own CPAP therapy sinks like a Led Zeppelin, rightfully so."
Pity, that so many others stand a chance of going down with the (hot) airship.

Midwest_non_sleeper wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:20 pm

Dr. Breus' idea that people should not be able to manage their own CPAP therapy sinks like a Led Zeppelin, rightfully so.

You missed the part where he expressed his IDEA as FACT which makes it FALSE.
Falsehood is not protected speech. Try crying "Fire!" in a crowded theater and try to make that excuse stick.

prodigyplace wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:33 pm

Falsehood is not protected speech.

Please show this poster mercy, Midwest.

At least, let the poster live.

My feeble attempt at a peace-maintaining, life-saving preemptive strike :

"Incorrect statements are inevitable during the course of free debate; therefore, some false speech must be protected in order to give speech the 'breathing space' it needs to survive. . . . In appropriate situations some false statements of fact receive 'a measure of strategic protection' in order to ensure that regulation of speech does not unduly inhibit fully protected speech." -- http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/wp-co ... ng_MLR.pdf

'Fire/movie' speech is more about irresponsible endangerment of life and limb, not so much trueness. At least, as I imperfectly grasp concepts of constitutional law. And I could be wrong. I often am.

And then, of course, on a practical level, there's always this take on criminal law, from defense attorneys, although it could also be a lie :

https://www.copleyroth.com/criminal-def ... e-to-them/

Why do I post stuff like that? Pure trollery, I guess.

And don't even get me started on the principles of absence of malice as it applies to journalistic endeavors, such as blogs, because that's a whole 'nuther can of sumthin'.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:35 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:33 pm

Falsehood is not protected speech.

Please show this poster mercy, Midwest.

At least, let the poster live.

Give us 3 good reasons why...

palerider wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 6:58 pm

jnk... wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:35 pm

prodigyplace wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2019 12:33 pm

Falsehood is not protected speech.

Please show this poster mercy, Midwest.

At least, let the poster live.

Give us 3 good reasons why...

Mercy is its own reward.
Groupthink is evil.
No one to cast the first stone.

NoOnesPerfect wrote: ↑

Wed May 29, 2019 1:40 pm

First post in this thread has the link

Thanks!

Its interesting that this "David" person hasn't chimed in on the last poster who listed some of those credentials he's so enamored with, but said more or less the same thing most of us have been saying.

Gryphon wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:29 am

Its interesting that this "David" person hasn't chimed in on the last poster who listed some of those credentials he's so enamored with, but said more or less the same thing most of us have been saying.

I assume he's been locked out, just as I have been.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:46 am

Gryphon wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:29 am

Its interesting that this "David" person hasn't chimed in on the last poster who listed some of those credentials he's so enamored with, but said more or less the same thing most of us have been saying.

I assume he's been locked out, just as I have been.

You've been wanting to get banned for a while now... 'grats!

You did it with style and panache.