Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

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Post by bombayone » Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am

We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.

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Post by Grace~~~ » Thu May 30, 2019 1:07 pm

bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.

~~~ *I* am still holding out for Dr Breus's *mea culpa* and evidence that he has been positively influenced and enlightened.

If he still holds to his opinions then I'd agree that there should come a time where we stop beating a dead horse.

It's crazy how many people confuse right and wrong with differing opinions. I am told that children today are often sheltered from being "wrong" and told that 2+2= 5 is just a "different opinion".
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Post by jnk... » Thu May 30, 2019 1:22 pm

Attacks on optimizing PAP therapy should be answered; lives are at stake.

But does anyone take "info" from celebrity "docs" seriously? Probably not. At least, no more seriously than they take the "info" from network news. It is free lightweight entertainment sprinkled over the edges of endless commercials.

Most "information" today is designed to be like cotton candy. It should dissolve upon contact, impart no real nutrition, and leave a vaguely sweet aftertaste on the tongue/brain.
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Re: Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Post by palerider » Thu May 30, 2019 5:49 pm

bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
You just don't have a clue, do you?

Why should ANYBODY tolerate an opinion that is detrimental to the health and well being of every cpap user that reads that column?

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Post by jnk... » Thu May 30, 2019 6:24 pm

I just made another post there as "Common Ground" instead of as "-jnk." Just disclosing that here for the sake of honesty to my fellow cpaptalk forum members.

Man, I really wish my spelling was consistEntly better. :lol:
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Post by zonker » Thu May 30, 2019 7:12 pm

palerider wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:49 pm
bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
You just don't have a clue, do you?

Why should ANYBODY tolerate an opinion that is detrimental to the health and well being of every cpap user that reads that column?
we seem to be getting all kinds of helpful advice today, eh? first snoregone, now this.

maybe we should straighten up and fly right, eh?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by palerider » Thu May 30, 2019 7:15 pm

zonker wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 7:12 pm
palerider wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:49 pm
bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
You just don't have a clue, do you?

Why should ANYBODY tolerate an opinion that is detrimental to the health and well being of every cpap user that reads that column?
we seem to be getting all kinds of helpful advice today, eh? first snoregone, now this.

maybe we should straighten up and fly right, eh?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, you know how it is, noisemakers gotta noisemake.

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Re: Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Post by bombayone » Thu May 30, 2019 7:40 pm

palerider wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:49 pm
bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
You just don't have a clue, do you?

Why should ANYBODY tolerate an opinion that is detrimental to the health and well being of every cpap user that reads that column?
Every CPAP user? Most CPAP users reading the column are intelligent enough to decide what approach is correct for them.

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Re: Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Post by Thatgirl » Thu May 30, 2019 10:06 pm

Well now isn't this insulting. He doesn't seem to think very highly of...anyone but himself?

I tried CPAP and was convinced I would never tolerate it. And I was on auto CPAP the "better technology" he suggests will solve all problems (I don't deny that most auto-cpap is better than most straight CPAP machines, but mostly because they have advanced data). I was seeing a pulmonologist that specialized in sleep medicine. She gave me home O2 to wear at night.

It was only upon discovering this board, Sleepyhead, and buying a used bipap that I found any success.

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Post by kbh209 » Thu May 30, 2019 11:48 pm

Grace~~~ wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 1:07 pm
bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.

~~~ *I* am still holding out for Dr Breus's *mea culpa* and evidence that he has been positively influenced and enlightened.

If he still holds to his opinions then I'd agree that there should come a time where we stop beating a dead horse.

It's crazy how many people confuse right and wrong with differing opinions. I am told that children today are often sheltered from being "wrong" and told that 2+2= 5 is just a "different opinion".
Common Core Math will teach you 2+2=5, and Dr. Breus probably uses common core health information to back his studies up :roll:
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Re: Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Post by RonS » Thu May 30, 2019 11:49 pm

jnk... wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:23 am
To the best of my knowledge, all posts (76 at present) are still accessible there. You may need to click on "NEXT" below the first page of comments and then click on "COMMENTS" again on that page in order to reach the second page of comments.
Before I posted here that my reply was missing, I had checked both pages, each twice. Nothing.

Yet I go back today, it's there now. *Shrug*

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Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri May 31, 2019 10:39 am

jnk... wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:24 pm
Man, I really wish my spelling was consistEntly better.
If it bothers you, open up a tab to https://app.grammarly.com/. It catches a lot fir me.

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Post by zonker » Fri May 31, 2019 10:54 am

RonS wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:49 pm
jnk... wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:23 am
To the best of my knowledge, all posts (76 at present) are still accessible there. You may need to click on "NEXT" below the first page of comments and then click on "COMMENTS" again on that page in order to reach the second page of comments.
Before I posted here that my reply was missing, I had checked both pages, each twice. Nothing.

Yet I go back today, it's there now. *Shrug*

Thanks... !
first there is a comment, then there is no comment, then there is....
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Post by Midwest_non_sleeper » Fri May 31, 2019 11:58 am

bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
I missed the part where any of us are stopping Dr. Breus from rebutting or using his speech in any way, shape, or form. Last time I checked, none of us here are a governmental body, so the whole "free speech" issue is a moot point, but usually only to those who completely misunderstand the meaning and purpose of the First Amendment. Additionally, the purest form of free speech, since you're inclined to bring it up, is debate, where the response to hateful, bigoted, racist, or downright bad information is a rebuttal of that. That's what we're doing, we're offering a rebuttal of his claims, nothing more.

As a matter of fact, Dr. Breus has a much bigger platform than any of us have, he's the one that's hosted by psychologytoday.com, yet we're the ones "stopping" him from speaking? Give me a break.
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Re: Attack on Cpaptalk, Sleepyhead, Mark Watkins by Psychology Today

Post by Midwest_non_sleeper » Fri May 31, 2019 12:07 pm

bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 7:40 pm
palerider wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 5:49 pm
bombayone wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am
We have beat Dr Breus to death in defense of the honor of cpaptalk.com. So much for the tolerance of differing opinions and free speech. Move on to helping people.
You just don't have a clue, do you?

Why should ANYBODY tolerate an opinion that is detrimental to the health and well being of every cpap user that reads that column?
Every CPAP user? Most CPAP users reading the column are intelligent enough to decide what approach is correct for them.
Most CPAP users? I highly doubt that. Hell, "most" CPAP users aren't even consistent with the therapy to begin with, and the assertion that "most" of those remaining that ARE consistent, actually know what approach is best for them...well, that's wishful thinking. A "handfull" of CPAP users are intelligent enough to decide what approach is correct for them. The rest...well, the rest just take the Doctor's word for it and do whatever they say, even if it's less than helpful.

And that's the whole point of rebutting the good Ph.D's claim that "hacking" your CPAP is bad. We, collectively, WANT more people to reach a point where they are consistently getting GOOD therapy. Breus's "rules" don't allow for that.