Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Hi,
It seems like every time I hit REM the violent apneas wake me up, no matter what CPAP pressure I'm at.
I'm looking into alternative therapies, and I have a gut inclination towards a physical stent which could just stop the airway from collapsing at all! I've read about a few:
https://nastent.sevendreamers.com/en/
http://www.alaxo.com/alaxostent_eng.html
Also, most of the literature on the stents seems to be positive:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26525882
Does anyone use these? Particularly, I'm interested in a prescription in the US—or some alternative OTC item, or, even, something I can buy somewhere online. I think this + CPAP treatment may suppress my frequent arousals + wakeups.
It seems like every time I hit REM the violent apneas wake me up, no matter what CPAP pressure I'm at.
I'm looking into alternative therapies, and I have a gut inclination towards a physical stent which could just stop the airway from collapsing at all! I've read about a few:
https://nastent.sevendreamers.com/en/
http://www.alaxo.com/alaxostent_eng.html
Also, most of the literature on the stents seems to be positive:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26525882
Does anyone use these? Particularly, I'm interested in a prescription in the US—or some alternative OTC item, or, even, something I can buy somewhere online. I think this + CPAP treatment may suppress my frequent arousals + wakeups.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
What of the gag reflex?
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Anything is tenable in hoping to achieve a real night of sleep.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
I cannot imagine these devices used successfully on anyone NOT comatose.
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Well for you, CPAP treatment must be working. Imagine how desperate you can get if you haven't slept for the last several monthschunkyfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:26 pmI cannot imagine these devices used successfully on anyone NOT comatose.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Good point.
Cpap SOLVED my sleep deprivation.
Sadly, cpap is the best, and usually the ONLY solution.
Have you truly tried EVERYTHING to make cpap work?
Cpap SOLVED my sleep deprivation.
Sadly, cpap is the best, and usually the ONLY solution.
Have you truly tried EVERYTHING to make cpap work?
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
nikkwong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:58 amHi,
It seems like every time I hit REM the violent apneas wake me up, no matter what CPAP pressure I'm at.
I'm looking into alternative therapies, and I have a gut inclination towards a physical stent which could just stop the airway from collapsing at all! I've read about a few:
https://nastent.sevendreamers.com/en/
http://www.alaxo.com/alaxostent_eng.html
Also, most of the literature on the stents seems to be positive:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26525882
Does anyone use these? Particularly, I'm interested in a prescription in the US—or some alternative OTC item, or, even, something I can buy somewhere online. I think this + CPAP treatment may suppress my frequent arousals + wakeups.
Something just doesn't add up for me here....nikkwong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:19 pmI remember a story about someone who vomited while keeping their mouth shut. He died. The safety aspect is troublesome, at least to me. I would love a solution like this though, so I could move from a FFM to nasal mask—but, I don't know if I think it's worth the risk, no matter how infinitesimally small it might be.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
I guess if you are desperate enough you would try anything. I know my gag reflex would immediately kick in though, let alone the discomfort. I can't imagine trying it but if you do, let us know how you did.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
For example? Is there a reason everyone on this forum is so cynical?palerider wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:32 pmnikkwong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:58 amHi,
It seems like every time I hit REM the violent apneas wake me up, no matter what CPAP pressure I'm at.
I'm looking into alternative therapies, and I have a gut inclination towards a physical stent which could just stop the airway from collapsing at all! I've read about a few:
https://nastent.sevendreamers.com/en/
http://www.alaxo.com/alaxostent_eng.html
Also, most of the literature on the stents seems to be positive:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26525882
Does anyone use these? Particularly, I'm interested in a prescription in the US—or some alternative OTC item, or, even, something I can buy somewhere online. I think this + CPAP treatment may suppress my frequent arousals + wakeups.Something just doesn't add up for me here....nikkwong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:19 pmI remember a story about someone who vomited while keeping their mouth shut. He died. The safety aspect is troublesome, at least to me. I would love a solution like this though, so I could move from a FFM to nasal mask—but, I don't know if I think it's worth the risk, no matter how infinitesimally small it might be.
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Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
The better term, not emotionally loaded, is skeptical. In my case I was trained by my profession to be skeptical.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
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Please enlighten me on what my ulterior motive would be here?Doug_Nightmare wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:44 pmThe better term, not emotionally loaded, is skeptical. In my case I was trained by my profession to be skeptical.
Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Yeah, I've really tried everything. I've tried every pressure, every setting, EPR, humidity, everything under the sun. It's been a year of different configurations and I'm just nowhere close to feeling better. Granted, I feel better than I did before treatment began, but, not good enough to have a high performance career or really enjoy my life. I always wake up at the ~5hr mark after some very violent breathing (as evidenced by the cpap data). I'm desperate in the most literal sense of the word and just want to resume life as it was.chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:34 pmGood point.
Cpap SOLVED my sleep deprivation.
Sadly, cpap is the best, and usually the ONLY solution.
Have you truly tried EVERYTHING to make cpap work?
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Only you would know what your motivation is.
We only know what works . . .
We only know what works . . .
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This kind of condescension is demoralizing and arrogant. Members of this forum especially should be particularly apt to the notion that sleep apnea treatment is not one-size-fits-all; and that has been particularly true in my case.chunkyfrog wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:03 pmOnly you would know what your motivation is.
We only know what works . . .
If anyone has actual comments for my original post, kindly let me know. If you're here to flame me or question my motives, please keep your feedback to yourself.
Re: Is anyone using physical stents to keep the airway open?
Didn't you report a month or so ago that you got a zero AHI with simultaneous MAD and CPAP?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=171596&p=1251630#p1251630
If so, your residual tiredness issues from that point forward would likely relate to other health issues beyond OSA.
The usual sleep and airway sensitivities that often accompany UARS would likely make a nasal stent less than tolerable for UARS phenotypes.
If, as you posted earlier, MAD helps you in conjunction with PAP as the MAD moves your tongue forward (which is at a much lower location than the nasal and upper throat area of the airway), it is unlikely that a nasal stent is the solution for you, IMO.
Wish you the best.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=171596&p=1251630#p1251630
If so, your residual tiredness issues from that point forward would likely relate to other health issues beyond OSA.
The usual sleep and airway sensitivities that often accompany UARS would likely make a nasal stent less than tolerable for UARS phenotypes.
If, as you posted earlier, MAD helps you in conjunction with PAP as the MAD moves your tongue forward (which is at a much lower location than the nasal and upper throat area of the airway), it is unlikely that a nasal stent is the solution for you, IMO.
Wish you the best.
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