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beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:34 am

SOmeone posted regarding a scuba regulation system that would allow the exhale out the mouth without the loosing pressure, *(i think). If anyone else has this idea about an integrated nasal and oral interface, and uses a strictly nasal interface, please let me know what kind of issues you all have with breathing out our mouth. Do you lose pressure? Does it feel awkward? ETC? Thank you.

gulfpearl · Post by **gulfpearl** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:18 am

What I would really like to see on a mask is adjustable vent holes . If the air is blowing on your partner it could be adjusted to blow in a different direction.

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:21 am

nomad wrote:beavnut33,

Can you tell us who you work for?

Good question! ... for someone who is attempting to design a new mask, beavnut33 sure has a limited knowledge base/foundation with regard to the questions being asked of the group. I don't wish to be cynical or offensive but I'm begining to think this thread is all a big flim-flam to see how long it can get.

Sorry if I'm being a skeptic ... if nothing else, maybe this thread will provide some insight to the problems that newbies can expect to have with PAP interfaces. I hope I'm wrong, but I would like to see some proof of what beavnut33 is up to.

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Vader · Post by **Vader** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:11 pm

DreamStalker wrote: for someone who is attempting to design a new mask, beavnut33 sure has a limited knowledge base/foundation with regard to the questions being asked of the group. I don't wish to be cynical or offensive but I'm begining to think this thread is all a big flim-flam to see how long it can get.

My thoughts exactly, and like yourself- I hope we're wrong.

beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:23 pm

You're right DreamStalker, I do have a 'limited' knowledge of the subject. That is because I am a Graduate student of Industrial Design @ Purdue University doing a project to design an advanced/ improved interface for use on different PAPs, sponsored by Puritan Bennett. I sincerely apologize if my questions seemed substandard, but I did my best. My schedule consists of more than one project at a time so be patient. Also, I’m trying very hard to make sure I have something to show you. I realize how hard it must be to give guidance and information without anything in return. Perhaps I was too ambitious to think that there are people in the world that just help others without asking for anything. Will evidence somehow validate my motives?

I do appreciate all the feedback and hope that my design is adopted by Puritan Bennett. Maybe then this forum won’t feel like a waste of intellect. I mean, c’mon man, cut me some slack. I really do want to improve the quality of life and sleep for those with apneas. That’s why I chose this project and to pursued a sponsorship from Puritan Bennett.

I truly hope that there is no one out in the world bored enough to join obscure forums and waste that much time.

Keep the input coming.

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beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:57 pm

Bad Day

beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:59 pm

[quote="Anonymous"]I'm a fairly new CPAPer and I still long for the ability to breath in at the nose and out at the mouth but I have a heavy beard (and I'll be darned if I will expose my jowles)

I've been toying with the idea of fabricating a short hose to connect the off-side plug on my Swift to the front intake on my Oracle 452.

It'd be nice to have that kind of scuba regulator arrangement & nasal pillow (or maybe prongs) in a single clean unit

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:03 am

beavnut33 wrote:You're right DreamStalker, I do have a 'limited' knowledge of the subject. That is because I am a Graduate student of Industrial Design @ Purdue University doing a project to design an advanced/ improved interface for use on different PAPs, sponsored by Puritan Bennett. I sincerely apologize if my questions seemed substandard, but I did my best. My schedule consists of more than one project at a time so be patient. Also, I’m trying very hard to make sure I have something to show you. I realize how hard it must be to give guidance and information without anything in return. Perhaps I was too ambitious to think that there are people in the world that just help others without asking for anything. Will evidence somehow validate my motives?

I do appreciate all the feedback and hope that my design is adopted by Puritan Bennett. Maybe then this forum won’t feel like a waste of intellect. I mean, c’mon man, cut me some slack. I really do want to improve the quality of life and sleep for those with apneas. That’s why I chose this project and to pursued a sponsorship from Puritan Bennett.

I truly hope that there is no one out in the world bored enough to join obscure forums and waste that much time.

Keep the input coming.

My sincere apologies. I guess I was wrong not to cut you some slack.

However, I think the explanation of your research as a graduate student at the beginning of this thread instead of as a designer for a mysterious PAP interface manufacturer would have gone a long way towards the validity of your motives. In fact, I’m sure there are several members of this forum who would provide you with even more help (myself included) and/or mentor you if you posted a copy of your research proposal here on the forum or at least offered it to those interested in reading it. I too have been a grad student and understand the path to the outer limits of knowledge for a research topic can be slow and difficult.

I don’t know what your time constraints are for your research (semester project or thesis/dissertation), but I would suggest that you use some of your sponsored funds to actually acquire some of the basic types of interfaces and a cheap machine to try for yourself (assuming you are not already an OSA patient). I would not of course recommend that you sleep with it but you could use the devices while awake to experience for yourself how they work. Heck, you may even get some folks here to donate some of their failed interfaces for you to use in your research.

Anyway, again my apologies and best wishes on the success of your research.

- roberto

oldgearhead · Post by **oldgearhead** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:01 am

..hail, hail, to old Purdue..all hail the old gold and black...

Best of luck with your project..

oldgearhead · Post by **oldgearhead** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:11 am

that would allow the exhale out the mouth without the loosing pressure,

Actually, I can inhale through my CL2 and exhale out my mouth, just fine,
if I'm awake. However, the "snake" attacks as soon as I doze off.

beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:02 am

'S N A K E' ? ? ?

beavnut33 · Post by **beavnut33** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:12 am

Anyway, again my apologies and best wishes on the success of your research.

- roberto

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No problem Rob. This is a very stressful project. I had no idea the extent of the personal issues had with these things. Plus, my time constraint are quit sever, considering the extent of this project. I decided to do an interface on Sept, 10. My schedule already required 12 solid concepts to refine and choose from. I need more research. I did interviews, trend analysis, techhnologyr research, process breackdowns and this forum in order to get a firm handle. I'm still not where I'd like to be. These interfaces are much more conplex and have a wider veriety than I imagined. I can list my 12 concepts once they are chosen. Again thanks alot for your considerations.

BOILER UP! ! ! Badgers are goin down!

oldgearhead · Post by **oldgearhead** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:22 am

"Snake" is the loud hissing sound of treatment pressure rushing out of
your mouth. So, when I use the ComfortLite 2 (CL2) I usually put one
piece of 2 inch Micropore paper tape over my mouth.

oldgearhead · Post by **oldgearhead** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:22 pm

...now back to the work at hand.

I think that the basic technology for the existing masks is very good.
The bigger task is how to make them fit more people and not leak.

Forget about fit an finish, for a moment, and think about an air delivery problem, designed into one of the late model units :

1) I really like the Comfortlite 2 from a design concept point of view.
But its really not much of an advancement over the decade
old Adam Circuit. They radically improved a few things, at the expense
of other things. Example: The solid plastic air delivery tube is less than 1/4
the diameter of the Adam Circuit air delivery tube. So one of the design concepts, for a nasal pillow mask, should be to make the largest possible volume of air available at the nasal pillows. The Breeze, Adam Circuit, and
Hybrid, as well as several others, far outpace the CL2 on this point. I find the CL2 very comfortable and it can be easily modified to fit most people.
However, I feel starved for air, every time I use it with the nasal pillow set-up, and I don't know how to fix it.

jnewborn · Post by **jnewborn** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:50 pm

Hi All

I was the annonymous guy talking about combining the Oracle 452 and the Mirage Swift...

I've since taken time to register.

Yes, you lose pressure when you open your mouth... When I use just my swift i wear a chinstrap and football mouthpiece.

The Oracle by itself drys out my mouth.

I did rig up a daisy chain rig out of the off side plug of the swift and into the Oracle and it is VERY comfy to breath with (Although my rig is way bulkier than necessary as it's made of plumbing parts rather than purpose fabricated.)

The problem I didnt anticipate is... spit!

The Oracle's native hose has a trap built in. but the combination of the two interfaces causes a dampness problem.

I still think a unit could be design to incorporate both the oracle style and nasal interfaces in a small light package. but it would require thought about spit management and exaust placement.

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