Respironics - Missing Data

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Respironics - Missing Data

Post by NightHawkeye » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:15 am

Last night there was a small gap in my Encore Pro data which can be seen in the chart below. Although this is not the first time it's happened, it may be the first time for which there doesn't seem to be an alternative explanation. I didn't get up at all during the night. I didn't take the mask off. There wasn't a large leak at the time. The data just was not recorded for a few minutes. Interestingly, Encore Pro shows apneas just before the missing data yet there is no indication of that in oximeter data.

Now, my Comfort Curve headgear did slip a little last night and I remember readjusting it to eliminate a minor leak. That probably occurred about the same time as the missing data, so I'm inclined to believe that this minor leak confused the machine in some fashion. Anybody got a better explanation for this?

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bathroom break

Post by wolftracker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:32 am

sure looks like a bathroom break to me.

when the machine gets turned off ...it does not record for 10 minutes
that happens when i get up for a quick bathroom break....

you sure you did not sleep thru it ...

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Post by greyhound » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:03 am

If it wasn't a bathroom break, perhaps your electricity went out for a few minutes.

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Post by rested gal » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:20 am

One thought about a possible clue to electricity blipping out for a moment... if a person is using a "regular" REMstar machine (not the M series) AND has turned on the integrated heated humidifier when they went to bed, the humidifier will turn off whenever the machine turns off. The integrated humidifier will not automatically turn on again when a Respironics non-M series machine is being used.

You'd know whether the machine had turned off and back on by feeling the water chamber near the base of the humidifier in the morning. Or by just taking note of whether the humidifier was still "on" before you turned the machine off in the morning. If it felt cold, the machine had turned off at some point during the night, even if breathing into the mask restarted it. But if it feels warm, the machine ran without interruption.
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power outage

Post by wolftracker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:02 am

if there is a power outage... at least on my machine
then the data is broken into two days.

if there is a bathroom break where you push the
power button but the power is still onto the machine
(ie the lights are still on) then there is a 10 minute
break in the data.

this appears to be a 10 minute break in the data which
would mean the power was still onto the machine, but
the power buttom was pushed to turn off the air.

power outage ...two days
buttom push 10 minute missing data ...

at least that is what I have seen

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one other thought

Post by wolftracker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:11 am

do you have a cat/dog/alien that might have access to the
power button.

they might have walked on the button turning the machine
off, however, with the 2 1/2 breath rule the machine might
have come on by itself and you would have never noticed
it ... as you said there was an event. maybe the event
was an alien walked on the button giving you no air
for the 2 1/2 breaths.

again my .02 alien thoughts

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Post by NightHawkeye » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:43 pm

Nope, not a bathroom break. Even if I'd forgotten about going to the bathroom, which is entirely possible, the gap would also have shown up on the oximeter data (since I can't take the oximeter on the potty break with me) but the gap did not show up in the oximeter data. Not a power glitch either, because other stuff in the house would have gone OFF as well, like my alarm clock or this computer which has trouble booting without intervention. And no cats/dogs/aliens roaming the house at night (that I know of, at least).

Not a chance that I accidentally turned it OFF either. The ON/OFF button is a full arm's length from the edge of the bed, and because of back problems this week I spent nearly the whole night motionless facing away from the machine. (No sympathy needed BTW. It stems from a water-skiing incident 25 years ago which flared up again recently as the result of spending too much time on the golf course.)

As for the ten-minute data outage, that is a "feature" of the Remstar-auto which I pointed out here on this forum a number of months back. The BiPAP-auto doesn't exhibit the ten-minute outage "feature". Ten-minutes would be 1/6 of an hour in the chart, but the gap here isn't quite that long. (I suppose if I were curious enough I could export the data and sift through it.)

I'm thinking software **BUG**.

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Bill (wondering if anyone has ever produced bug-free software)


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Post by NightHawkeye » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:20 pm

This morning I found a surprise in my Encore Pro data from last night, an unexplained data gap which appears to be less than five minutes long. Here is the chart where the data gap can be seen just before hour 6.

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From looking at the Encore Pro chart in conjunction with the oximeter data chart shown below, it can be seen that a desaturation event, by far the worst of the night, is also associated with the data gap. This strongly suggests to me that the machine actually turned OFF, rather than the gap being a mere data anomaly. There were additional apneas after the data gap, but these resulted in much smaller desaturations than the apnea occurring concurrently with the data gap.

Again, as on previous nights, the gap seems not to have resulted from a power outage, because absolutely nothing else in the entire house went off (and there are three computers and an alarm clock which normally do indicate when a power glitch happens). I'm still of the opinion that the machine is somehow doing this, and I even have a suspicion of a possible mechanism (although as yet unproven).

One of the things that occasionally happens with this machine is that the machine fails to recognize the SmartCard. Because I read the card daily, I suspect that either grime has built up on the card contacts or the contacts have just gotten a little worn. That by itself is only a minor annoyance when putting the card into the machine. It is somewhat more annoying though when, in the middle of the night, my wife wakes me up and tells me that the machine is beeping (because it no longer recognizes the card). This has happened a few times already, and I normally have to get up, turn on the light and fiddle with the SmartCard until the machine recognizes it again. (BTW, the machine never wakes me directly, because I can't hear the beeping.)

At any rate, my hypothesis is that perhaps the machine starts beeping, but that my wife, in deep slumber, manages to sleep through the beeping, as do I. My suspicion is that the machine eventually turns off of its own accord, and then somewhat later turns itself back ON after it detects my breathing.

If anybody has another explanation for this phenomenon which takes into account all the stated observations, I'd like to hear it. (BTW, auto-OFF is not enabled.)

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Bill


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Post by bbeck4x4 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:42 pm

what about putting a video recorder on the machine for the whole night and watch the display, my machine shows the missing data like that all of the time, I have always figured that it was a problem writing to the card.

this is interesting, I also get the split night reports all the time, without the power going out. (machine is on a UPS)


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Post by dllfo » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:26 pm

Bill..if the machine overheats, will it turn itself off for a short period?

What if...I know if I am about half awake, I hear a "whooshing" of air and I reach up to turn my unit off automatically, thinking (?) that an off/on will reset it.

My bathroom breaks show up, but I never "clocked" myself.

Anything on the circuit with you, a GFCI perhaps?

WHAT might make that thing turn off?

If it were 6 feet away, where you had to get out of bed to turn it off.....?

Switch to a different smart card?

I don't have a 6 or 8 hour video tape, but I could put my tripod up, with wires to my old VCR, put an 8 hour tape in there and crank away all night, but make sure you synchronize the times with a verbal time hack or something, so you can match the machine time to Video tape time.

TURN THE BEEPER ON BILL. If your machine turns off, or if you have a big leak it should beep at you. NO??

Your turn......

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