ASV Study Results

poppi2 wrote:

RestlessinWoolley wrote:.... but a pillow filled with corn husk apparently. Stays cool, and won't knock the mask around much. ...

I've not familiar with the corn husk filled pillow but love my buckwheat hull filled pillow. When side sleeping, I just move some hulls around to form a hole for my P10.

Please let us know what pillow you get. I'll have to Google the corn husk filled pillow. Always in search for the holy grail. Earl

My brain was on the Tamales I was eating at the time. Buckwheat it is.

The nice thing about my Surface Pro is I have to insert a SD Card reader into the side to read the SD Card. Can't close the cover with it in, so it's fairly easy to see. But day glow orange tape should work or one of them old janitors key rings with the zip line. Lol.

palerider wrote: I applaud you, but I don't think I'm organized enough to pull that off

Me either. I would rather kick myself in the butt and whine about being a dumb ass...again.

To be fair...I rarely want or need to view the data unless I am experimenting with something so that's part of the problem...I am not in the habit of pulling the card and putting it back. If I did it more often it would probably be less of an issue. Now that I have the AirCurve to use....I don't even have to worry about the every 7 day download thing with the S9 limitations. So I don't miss anything if I wait a long time between downloads.

And a big round of applause for Lincare for royally screwing up my stuff so Medicare is holding up my ASV Machine till Lincare can get a signed copy from my Sleep Doctor​ and the correct paperwork from December for the original order. Nothing matches or makes since since they totally gave me the wrong machine to begin with. My New DME said if they don't hear anything by mid week they will give me the machine and worry about paperwork later as they have my signed paperwork for the new machine and cannot process it till Lincare removes the hold and finishes correctly filing my old machine. Oy so glad to be done with them

Pugsy (package arrive okay?)

palerider wrote:

zoocrewphoto wrote:

palerider wrote:

Pugsy wrote:Can't tell you how many times I have gone to pull the SD card and realized it was still in the computer and of course it always happened on a night that I really wanted to see the details.

maybe put a big orange dayglow tape flag on the SD card so you'll see that sticking out of the computer...

maybe we should go into business selling CPAP SD cards with "PUT ME BACK IN THE DANG CPAP" flags on them

After doing this several times, I learned to leave a post-it note on the cpap machine. So, when I get ready for bed, I open the drawer, see the post-it, and retrieve the card from the computer.

I applaud you, but I don't think I'm organized enough to pull that off

I have 2 SD cards, when I take one out I have to put the other one in.

I put Flash Air cards in our machines and read the data through my router and never need to remove the card from the machines. I have been using my card for over a year without any problems. I have problems reading my wife's machine once in a while due to the location of her machine. Hers is on the other side of the bedroom and there are more walls between her machine and the router. All I have to do is open the doors on the night stand and make sure I close the bedroom door, then I can read her card from my computer.

SO the Dreamstation went back to Lincare today, they have yet to bill Medicare, so I made it easy for them. didn't seem to care that I was taking my business elsewhere. I had to take the return slip to the new DME, and right now all I am waiting on is the finalized test results, should of been faxed this afternoon. they sent a summary, but they need the entire report per Medicare. I had a nice chat with the office manager, and she showed me their mask selection, and asked me to be open minded during my setup appt (2 hour appt), that their specialist wants to be sure the mask meets my needs and fits like it should and I know the machine inside and out, forward and backwards. My pretty little AirCurve 10 ASV is sitting there, with my heated hose, pillow, and they have a dozen or more masks in stock to choose from. I am surprised how small the AC10 is. when she brought out the demo model I was astonished. and I will love it over the Dreamstation, especially the water tank. the amount of stuff i have on my nightstand, size is key and being able to pop off the tank from the side will be a big help and seeing the water level.

She also said they leave both the humidity and tube heat setting in manual mode, said our climate it helps and wont act on its own on auto. said I will go thru more water that way, but ill have a less chance at cotton mouth.

So happy for this ride to be close to over. Now I have to deal with finding a new Neuro Oncologist...the one that replaced my old one basically said she does not want to take on patients with my condition. 17 years in one clinic and right now it appears i have to start all over..sigh win some, lose some..

xxyzx wrote:unless they lied the info i found on ASV says it basically sets everything to your needs at the current time

it is not changed remotely
the manual says the machine learns your breathing and more

your interpretation of whatever you've read is wrong on every count.

ASVs do need to be set, they can be changed remotely, and they don't learn *ANYTHING*.

xxyzx wrote:depends what you mean by learning

it is a SERVO control system
it adjusts based on what it sees

so technically it is not 'learning' in the sense of AI or your going to school
but it gets the job done better

palerider wrote:

klv329 wrote:

RestlessinWoolley wrote:She also said to give it 2-3 weeks as the machine learns my breathing,before losing hope it isnt working..

I don't think the machine 'learns your breathing' over time and changes settings by itself. Maybe the physician will be modifying the ASVauto settings remotely?

you're quite right about that, the machine never learns anything, ever. all it does is respond to immediate circumstances based on it's programming and settings.

every time the machine starts up whether by button press or smart start, it's a whole new beginning.

how many ASV machines do you have running in your household? how many *years* experience do you have managing one?

xxyzx wrote:ASV 'learns' from the data right now as it adjusts to your current needs quickly

it may start with info from previous sessions.

palerider wrote:

Pugsy wrote:

palerider wrote:the machine never learns anything, ever. all it does is respond to immediate circumstances based on it's programming and settings.

But it makes the patient feel better instead of saying "it may take a bit of time for your body to adjust and learn to trust the machine".

or, as a book I read recently put it "lies to children"

I'm betting that the next evo/revolution in cpap therapy will be a machine that *does* learn, and adjusts itself over time based on data from previous sessions. Resmed is nibbling at that with the 'for her' mode, where it raises the minimum pressure if there are multiple apneas within a period of time...

why do you babble on excessively about things you know nothing about?

no ASV on the market today "learns" from anything, or modifies it's behavior based on past events.

please do shut up.

xxyzx wrote:before ASV which i am trying to get

the bipap smacked me into a brick wall every time i had a central
and i woke up feeling as if there was no air in the mask and had to breathe through my mouth

HAH, if you think you got a 'smack' from a plain "bipap", you're in for a really rude awakening with an ASV. :giggle:

xxyzx wrote:cant you use two data cards
and swap them when you take one out put the spare in
always one in the machine

only if you want to half ass your data. but then...

xxyzx wrote:i know what i read

and EVERY source says they 'learn'

Care to provide your source?
Yes the ASV machines will adapt to whatever it senses now in the present like determining breathing rate averages and such but once you turn the machine off...anything it "learned" gets totally forgotten and it starts all over the next time a person turns the machine on.
It retains nothing in its little brain as it what we think a "memory" might be. It makes adjustments only for the here and now and can't take into account anything that happened in the past.

The biggest adjustment made is not in the machine learning anything....it's in the patient learning or adapting to how the machine responds to whatever it senses.

xxyzx wrote:i agree that they should be set initially

i agree that they can be set remotely

but ALL the literature says ASVs do 'learn'
either you are quibbling over semantics or dont know how the ASV really works

I don't care what you, with no experience, ”think”, I have sexeral years experience both adjusting AND interpreting the data from asv machines.

Absolutely and categorically, they do not "learn", they do not adjust their setting.

They respond, breath but breath throughout the session, but that's all they do.

xxyzx wrote:trying to get one

i researched them through every resource out there

either they are ALL lying or you dont know how they work

i have the knowledge so usage is irrelevant
unless all the sources are lying about what ASV does

More likely, you're incapable of separating marketing fluff from actual function.

xxyzx wrote:i know what i read

and EVERY source says they 'learn'

you are quibbling over semantics

How about this, "you are wrong, mistaken at best. You have zero experience, stop arguing with people that have and use the machines, it makes you appear stupid.”