This is affecting many

reecemj wrote:

the cure --- turning off the TV and getting on with your life.

Thats it Midnight Strangler. Amen.

+1

BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

Hang Fire wrote:

reecemj wrote:

the cure --- turning off the TV and getting on with your life.

Thats it Midnight Strangler. Amen.

+1

BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

Because strange fears seem to be a problem for you, that doesn't mean that fears are necessarily strange to the person experiencing them. Fears can be the result of many factors (politics being one of them), that I doubt anyone could name them all.

And speaking for myself, there are so many Trump policies that could potentially affect me, just typing one of them makes me fearful.

Hang Fire wrote:

reecemj wrote:

the cure --- turning off the TV and getting on with your life.

Thats it Midnight Strangler. Amen.

+1

BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

HF, you could care less about how Trump's policies will affect people negatively so stop being so disingenuous towards BB.

And enough of this partisan bull shit as many conservatives are against Trump. I wish one of them, Evan McMullin, would primary Jason Chaffetz, and send that big hypocrite back to Utah.

49er

Hang Fire wrote:

reecemj wrote:

the cure --- turning off the TV and getting on with your life.

Thats it Midnight Strangler. Amen.

+1

BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

Your opinion holds no weight with me, so say whatever you want. Those "strange fears" (WTF?) are warranted, and by no means am I alone in that. (But keep choosing to believe that there's nothing to worry about and I'm just overreacting. )



Bottom line: I care, and I pay attention. As a citizen (of America and the world), I feel it's my duty to make informed decisions. Sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you" is not the answer.

So to the people on this forum who think I'm anxious for no good reason and my recent sleep issues are self-induced, I know very well what I'm experiencing and why. I'm not a news junkie, but I do consider myself informed (and I plan to stay that way). Ignoring what's going on so as not to be affected by it is NOT a solution. People ignoring all the warnings (and there were too many to list here) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

In this age of information, Dumpsters obviously prefer to be ignorant. I'm sure they're sleeping well, but I refuse to emulate them.

49er wrote:

Hang Fire wrote:
BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

HF, you could care less about how Trump's policies will affect people negatively so stop being so disingenuous towards BB.

And enough of this partisan bull shit as many conservatives are against Trump. I wish one of them, Evan McMullin, would primary Jason Chaffetz, and send that big hypocrite back to Utah.

49er

Thanks, 49er. (And FWIW, I hope your wish comes true.)

Thank you BB for this post and what you defend.

"Simple OSA would be too easy. "
When people treat you like they don't care, believe them. They don't.

And Pugsy, thank you for your brain Can see now why 123avril is so jealous.

Do you think I could borrow it ? just for an hour ???

I am so slow and reading through all your posts is going to take me years...

I stumbled onto your "Poster child for Auto"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88508&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... ld#p811640

Nice post. It took me for ever to find that there was NO differences in settings on the 660P . Are you sure you did not have a cup of Gin on the 16 of April 2013 ? or eat something special ? On my sleep study I had a single period of 26 min of REM and only a few hypopnea, no apnea, no microarousal. I which I could pick out my REM on SH.

BleepingBeauty wrote:Bottom line: I care, and I pay attention. As a citizen (of America and the world), I feel it's my duty to make informed decisions. Sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you" is not the answer. So to the people on this forum who think I'm anxious for no good reason and my recent sleep issues are self-induced, I know very well what I'm experiencing and why. I'm not a news junkie, but I do consider myself informed (and I plan to stay that way). Ignoring what's going on so as not to be affected by it is NOT a solution. People ignoring all the warnings (and there were too many to list here) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

so what do you think the realistic solution is? post in a capap forum? post in a political forum with like minded people? impeach the pres? overthrow the govt? move to canada? move to the moon so you wont be so close? there are many others to choose from but at the risk of sounding mean the bottom line is whatever you are doing or have been doing is not working.

esel wrote: Are you sure you did not have a cup of Gin on the 16 of April 2013 ? or eat something special ?

100% sure I didn't drink a cup of gin. I hate the stuff. I am not much of a drinker of alcoholic beverages. Those days where I partied hardy are long past.

I don't remember all I said in that thread but I can't see REM all that easily on the data but I can make fairly good assumptions based on some hthatistory.
1...my OSA is documented five time as bad in REM...that's from my sleep study I had
2...I can study hypnograms and figure out roughly when REM normally happens and correlate the approx times and if I see a cluster of events...there's a real good chance it's REM.

I rarely eat anything anywhere near close to bedtime due to heartburn issues if I do and the extent of my partaking of alcohol is limited to maybe having a small amount of my homemade Irish cream and again no where close to bedtime. We are talking maybe once in 3 to 6 months I might have a short little toddy.

SleepyHead can't tell us anything that the machine can't tell us. Remember SH is only reporting what the machine is reporting and these machine's can't even tell if we are for sure asleep or not...much less the actual sleep stage. So it's not SH's fault..it's the machine's fault.
Now some people can get a good idea about REM stages (or they think they can) by evaluating the air flow but I have never really been able to spot that much of a difference in air flow so I can't do it.

I have already done the sleeping on my side vs sleeping on my back experiments to see if sleep position seemed to make any difference with apnea event clustering or pressure needs and it didn't. I had those clusters and same pressure needs when I built a wall and was for sure on my side.

Not everyone will have their OSA be worse in REM or even when on their back...it's common for OSA to worsen at those times but it isn't a 100% given that it will worsen.

Now there are some gadgets out there that reportedly will give us sleep stages but the bulk of those are based on accelerometer data and those are easily fooled. Stay in one place with minimal movement and they will assume you slept deeply.
The Zeo probably came the closest in terms of accuracy because it used eeg leads on the forehead but even it wasn't 100% accurate. I tested one for a week once and it often told me I was sleep when I know I wasn't.

2tfde wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:Bottom line: I care, and I pay attention. As a citizen (of America and the world), I feel it's my duty to make informed decisions. Sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la-la-la-la, I can't hear you" is not the answer. So to the people on this forum who think I'm anxious for no good reason and my recent sleep issues are self-induced, I know very well what I'm experiencing and why. I'm not a news junkie, but I do consider myself informed (and I plan to stay that way). Ignoring what's going on so as not to be affected by it is NOT a solution. People ignoring all the warnings (and there were too many to list here) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

so what do you think the realistic solution is? post in a capap forum? post in a political forum with like minded people? impeach the pres? overthrow the govt? move to canada? move to the moon so you wont be so close? there are many others to choose from but at the risk of sounding mean the bottom line is whatever you are doing or have been doing is not working.

I posted the article because it's about insomnia, and others might find solace in knowing they're not the only one experiencing this particular impact on their sleep. You don't think that subject is appropriate in a CPAP forum? I'm *still* posting on the subject matter because some have insinuated that it's "all in my head."

For realistic solutions, impeachment works for me. Your other suggestions, not so much. I already do commiserate with like-minded people; I mean, I live in Arizona, so I'm surrounded by fright-wingers and actively seek out people who help me remain somewhat sane while this fascist dicktator (and yes, I spelled it that way purposely) and his cronies remain in power. It helps, but it doesn't just magically make the problem go away.

I refuse to bury my head in the sand (or up my ass). That territory's long been occupied by the right...

BleepingBeauty wrote: I'm *still* posting on the subject matter because some have insinuated that it's "all in my head."

so you are not looking for a real sleep solution then.

BleepingBeauty wrote:For realistic solutions, impeachment works for me..

i didn't vote for trump just like i didnt vote for obama or clinitonb before that and i didnt vote for the patriots to win either. poor me the world is on fire how can i go on?

2tfde wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:Bottom line: I care, and I pay attention. As a citizen (of America and the world), I feel it's my duty to make informed decisions. Sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la-la-la- I'm *still* posting on the subject matter because some have insinuated that it's "all in my head."
la, I can't hear you" is not the answer. So to the people on this forum who think I'm anxious for no good reason and my recent sleep issues are self-induced, I know very well what I'm experiencing and why. I'm not a news junkie, but I do consider myself informed (and I plan to stay that way). Ignoring what's going on so as not to be affected by it is NOT a solution. People ignoring all the warnings (and there were too many to list here) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

so what do you think the realistic solution is? post in a capap forum? post in a political forum with like minded people? impeach the pres? overthrow the govt? move to canada? move to the moon so you wont be so close? there are many others to choose from but at the risk of sounding mean the bottom line is whatever you are doing or have been doing is not working.

I posted the article because it's about insomnia, and others might find solace in knowing they're not the only one experiencing this particular impact on their sleep. You don't think that subject is appropriate in a CPAP forum?
For realistic solutions, impeachment works for me. Your other suggestions, not so much. I already do commiserate with like-minded people; I mean, I live in Arizona, so I'm surrounded by fright-wingers and actively seek out people who help me remain somewhat sane while this fascist dicktator (and yes, I spelled it that way purposely) and his cronies remain in power. It helps, but it doesn't just magically make the problem go away.

I refuse to bury my head in the sand (or up my ass). That territory's long been occupied by the right...[/quote]

2tfde wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:Bottom line: I care....

so what do you think the realistic solution is?

Maybe, but just maybe get reedy for civil war.

BleepingBeauty wrote:

49er wrote:

Hang Fire wrote:
BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

HF, you could care less about how Trump's policies will affect people negatively so stop being so disingenuous towards BB.

And enough of this partisan bull shit as many conservatives are against Trump. I wish one of them, Evan McMullin, would primary Jason Chaffetz, and send that big hypocrite back to Utah.

49er

Thanks, 49er. (And FWIW, I hope your wish comes true.)

Thanks BB!

Check out his twitter ad about Drump being compromised by Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Evan_McMulli ... gr%5Etweet

49er wrote: I bet you would tell someone who was losing sleep because their child died of a drug overdose that they brought it all on themselves because the child did something stupid. It's honest yeah...but it sucks in the empathy department.

49er

If you want to be taken seriously, you would do well to study argument forms, particularly the extreme weakness of reductio ad absurdum.

2tfde wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote: I'm *still* posting on the subject matter because some have insinuated that it's "all in my head."

so you are not looking for a real sleep solution then.

BleepingBeauty wrote:For realistic solutions, impeachment works for me..

I already answered your question. Pay attention.

2tfde wrote:i didn't vote for trump just like i didnt vote for obama or clinitonb before that and i didnt vote for the patriots to win either. poor me the world is on fire how can i go on?

The fact that you're unconcerned about the tantrum-throwing man-baby, not to mention the other unqualified idiots he's surrounding himself with, and how they'll affect *everyone's* life is all anyone needs to know.

I maintain that NO candidate or president in my lifetime has *ever* been this much of a danger, so comparing him to others is a false equivalency (which the right seems to embrace regularly, e.g., Dump's Muslim ban is NOT comparable to any action undertaken by Obama). But feel free to keep swallowing those "alternative facts" whole with nary a critical thought to muddy your already-struggling brain...

2tfde wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:Bottom line: I care, and I pay attention. As a citizen (of America and the world), I feel it's my duty to make informed decisions. Sticking my fingers in my ears and singing "la-la-la- I'm *still* posting on the subject matter because some have insinuated that it's "all in my head."

la, I can't hear you" is not the answer. So to the people on this forum who think I'm anxious for no good reason and my recent sleep issues are self-induced, I know very well what I'm experiencing and why. I'm not a news junkie, but I do consider myself informed (and I plan to stay that way). Ignoring what's going on so as not to be affected by it is NOT a solution. People ignoring all the warnings (and there were too many to list here) is what got us into this mess in the first place.

so what do you think the realistic solution is? post in a capap forum? post in a political forum with like minded people? impeach the pres? overthrow the govt? move to canada? move to the moon so you wont be so close? there are many others to choose from but at the risk of sounding mean the bottom line is whatever you are doing or have been doing is not working.

BB wrote:I posted the article because it's about insomnia, and others might find solace in knowing they're not the only one experiencing this particular impact on their sleep. You don't think that subject is appropriate in a CPAP forum?

For realistic solutions, impeachment works for me. Your other suggestions, not so much. I already do commiserate with like-minded people; I mean, I live in Arizona, so I'm surrounded by fright-wingers and actively seek out people who help me remain somewhat sane while this fascist dicktator (and yes, I spelled it that way purposely) and his cronies remain in power. It helps, but it doesn't just magically make the problem go away.

I refuse to bury my head in the sand (or up my ass). That territory's long been occupied by the right...

If you're going to keep responding with quoted posts, FFS, learn how to use the quote function. It'll make it easier for others to follow along with your derailed train of thought. I fixed this post for ya. Won't bother again.

49er wrote:

BleepingBeauty wrote:

49er wrote:

Hang Fire wrote:
BleepingBeauty, Unless you can give one example of Trump policies that will affect you negatively, I'd have to say it is all brought on by your strange fears and political (partisanship) leanings.

HF, you could care less about how Trump's policies will affect people negatively so stop being so disingenuous towards BB.

And enough of this partisan bull shit as many conservatives are against Trump. I wish one of them, Evan McMullin, would primary Jason Chaffetz, and send that big hypocrite back to Utah.

49er

Thanks, 49er. (And FWIW, I hope your wish comes true.)

Thanks BB!

Check out his twitter ad about Drump being compromised by Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Evan_McMulli ... gr%5Etweet

That's a great ad. I hope it makes a positive difference (but I don't hold out much hope for Neanderthal fright-wingers).