Julie,
You say you're leaving. Fine. If you actually leave, it's your loss, not mine.
Against my better judgement, I'm going to respond to your last post because there are a number of
issues concerning the whole notion of bullying and misuse of the Spam button in your comments that do need to be addressed in the forum. None of this is supposed to be a personal attack on you. But all of it revolves around the language you used in your posts.
Julie wrote:Roby Sue - you said -
"But as near as I can tell, you have not yet been willing to state pubicly in unambigious laguage that you were WRONG to remove PEF's posts with your Spam button."
- Have you noticed that I am not your pupil, you are not the principal and I do not recognize your right to talk to me like that no matter what the circumstances?
I never said you were my pupil. If you were my pupil in a K-12 classroom, you would long ago have been sent to the principle's office.
I am a college professor. I treat my students with respect since they act like
adults in my classroom. In 35 years of teaching at the university level, I have kicked students out of my class exactly once----for being excessively rude to their fellow classmates and myself. The rest of the students told me that I was justified and that my action was long overdue.
I believe that you do owe PEF and anybody else an apology for inappropriately removing their posts with your Spam Button. I can't make you apologize, but I am well within my rights to tell you that I think you owe others an apology for behavior that goes beyond the mere rudeness of personal attacks.
You say you are deeply concerned about the level of bullying around here. And yet you don't seem to understand:
Removing someone else's post with your Spam button is the ultimate act of forum bullying.
And pardon my language, but I don't give a fig about your
promise to not do it in the future: Your actions were WRONG and you still do NOT understand that YOU were WRONG to remove other's posts simply because you did not like what they said about you. I'll say it again:
Your actions were WRONG because removing someone else's post with your Spam button is the ultimate act of forum bullying.
"You are the one who keeps bringing up how unfair it is that we've insisted that your use of the Spam button was WRONG"
- I have actually never said that at all - your interpretation of anything I said is WRONG
You may think my interpretation of your language is wrong. Heck, you might even be right.
But here are several direct quotes from your earlier posts in this thread pertaining to your
admitted use of the the Spam button to delete posts that you claim contained unwarranted, personal attacks on you with emphasis added to make it clear why I have chosen these particular quotes:
Julie wrote:I will not delete anything unless it is your continuing to use my name together with what's not valid criticism but vicious attacks - you don't seem to understand the difference and you appear to enjoy your nastiness. If they continue, so will deletions. Your choice - I do have better things to do (like go on with my life).
Julie wrote:PEF - you don't get it... you don't have carte blanche to be as nasty as you obviously want to be and think people should just take it. I'll take valid criticism of an issue re Cpap, but not your personal shit, and if you choose to complain to someone about it, be prepared to be attacked right back (not something I enjoy doing normally).
Julie wrote: You may feel hard done by because I deleted a note of yours, but if you'd been civilized and stuck to the 'agree to disagree' on the issue like an adult instead of how you behaved, there wouldn't have been any problem.
Julie wrote:if I'm so unpopular that you're all focusing just on the button thing now, rather than also suggesting that e.g. PEF and Sleepyeyes stop acting like creeps, then what's the point?
My interpretation the total sum of everything you are saying in these posts is that you believe you should have the right to use the Spam button to delete messages from PEF and anybody else that you believe contain personal, petty attacks on you. I may be wrong in my interpretation, but your language can clearly be interpreted the way that I interpret it.
And it seems to me as well that
in toto these remarks clearly indicate that you think the bigger problem is that people are more upset about your using the Spam button than they are about your being bullied by PEF and others.
Hence I'll modify my original comment to read: You are the one who keeps bringing up how unfair it is that we've insisted that your use of the Spam button was WRONG rather than talking about the bullying you feel like you've been subjected to.
Although to be perfectly frank, Julie, I find that you have a tendency to be among the worst of the bullies: You are quick to take offense and you are quick to start the name calling. And that's the main reason I'm not particularly sympathetic to your taking things into your own hands and removing other people's posts when you think they've resorted to calling you names and bullying you.
"Personally, I think you owe a real apology to the forum members whose posts you removed with your Spam button, in addition to your promise to not do it again."
- You're joking, right? Are you going to send me to the back of the room and tell my mother?
I am NOT joking.
And no, I can't send you to the back of the room. And I won't tell your mother.
But I am NOT joking. I still think you owe a real apology to the forum members whose posts you removed with your Spam button in addition to your promise not to do it again. And I think you owe them that apology because
removing someone else's post with your Spam button is the ultimate act of forum bullying.
I'm so gone from this horrible place... so gone.
I am not the one making this a "horrible place" by removing posts. You are. Because
removing someone else's post with your Spam button is the ultimate act of forum bullying.
