Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:47 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:
Chevie wrote:
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?

It doesn't matter. Placebo is a well documented medical effect and used for a lot of chronic and pain conditions. And yes it can also help with skin conditions, digestive issues and allergies.

I tried taking a placebo once, but had to quit, too many side effects. Jim

cathyf · Post by **cathyf** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:58 pm

Goofproof wrote:I tried taking a placebo once, but had to quit, too many side effects. Jim

LOL! But, seriously -- the placebo effect is pretty complicated. Something I read recently -- in a standard double-blind test, the patients receiving the placebo have side effects. But, fascinating, they have the same side effects as the drug that they are being tested against.

So you have a particular placebo and it is being used with a drug that causes dizziness as a side effect. The placebo will cause dizziness. Then you take exactly the same placebo pill and use it against a drug that causes congestion. Now the placebo -- exactly the same placebo -- causes congestion and NOT dizziness!

There is some subtlety here, in that double-blind is not actually quite as blind as you are trying for...

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:07 pm

My doctor gave me a placebo, for Diabetes, it turns out it was a sugar pill, it raised my A1C so high, I needed to use insulin to bring it back down!

Disclaimer: This is Internet fiction period.... Jim

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:48 pm

Hubby and I were both in a diabetes study.
His "metformin" were bitter; mine were not.
Guess who had the placebo. We knew the first day.

Riddle: How is a study for homeopathic medicine done?
Answer: Huh?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:38 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:Hubby and I were both in a diabetes study.
His "metformin" were bitter; mine were not.
Guess who had the placebo. We knew the first day.

Riddle: How is a study for homeopathic medicine done?
Answer: Huh?

you have to buhleave or the water will forget what it knows...

speaking of which, the 'theory' *snerk* is that water remembers what was in it, so even if it's a drop in an ocean of water, the water knows what to do to make you gooder...

but, what makes the water forget all the other things it's learned? like all the other ailments and sicknesses and healthy things it's learned going through all them bodies and kidneys for all time????

I don't drink water, fish fuck in it!!!!

how do you make it forget all that past stuff, and just remember the homeowhatsit bit for whatever you're trying to get people to pay you money for???? answer me dat!

archangle · Post by **archangle** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:31 am

jilliansue wrote:I for one, would not want to drop homeopathy! It is complementary medicine, and what is meant by that is that it can complement other treatments, such as Western, allopathic medicine. There are some conditions for which Western medicine works great. And there are some for which it cannot offer much. Case in point: eczema. My husband began having eczema perhaps 15 years ago. His doctor could only give him steroids and steroidal cream, and the vague suggestion that he might need to move to a less dry climate in the future. He consulted a homeopath and on either the 2nd or 3rd remedy she tried, bam! It cleared up and has not plagued him since. My daughter and I have both seen good results using homeopathy for conditions which had not previously been effectively helped by Western medicine.

For every quack medicine, there's someone who firmly believes in it. The same is true with faith healers who are outright frauds, such as the "psychic surgeons" who use slight of hand to fake pulling out diseased tissue with their bare hands, etc.

When you actually do statistics, homeopathy doesn't work. Unfortunately, our scumbag congress allows it continue because there was a powerful congressman who was a homeopath senator who got homeopathy exempted from the FDA act in 1938.

There's also the possibility the "homeopath" cheated and gave you something that wasn't actually homeopathic, i.e. it had actual ingredients in it, instead of being diluted to nothing.

archangle · Post by **archangle** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:34 am

chunkyfrog wrote:Hubby and I were both in a diabetes study.
His "metformin" were bitter; mine were not.
Guess who had the placebo. We knew the first day.

Riddle: How is a study for homeopathic medicine done?
Answer: Huh?

Give it to people.
Study results.
If it works, It's now western medicine
else it's still homeopathy

Works for other alternative "medicine" as well.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:56 am

We used to never use the limiter "western". It was just " medicine".
Everything else was "quackery", or "alternative", unless you believed the salesman.
Some patients (not apnea, sorry) get better in spite of their doctors.

Not Fade · Post by **Not Fade** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:28 am

Homeopathy claims water can cure you, because it once held medicine. That's like saying you can eat off an empty plate because it once held food. Cut it out, people! You're better than that! Everyone is better than that.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:48 am

Not Fade wrote:Homeopathy claims water can cure you, because it once held medicine. That's like saying you can eat off an empty plate because it once held food. Cut it out, people! You're better than that! Everyone is better than that.

oh, don't be ridiculous!!! plates aren't as smart as water! they don't even have the memory span of a goldfish!

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:44 am

Not Fade wrote:Homeopathy claims water can cure you, because it once held medicine. That's like saying you can eat off an empty plate because it once held food. Cut it out, people! You're better than that! Everyone is better than that.

No no it works because it was once peed out by your favourite religious person.

jilliansue · Post by **jilliansue** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:06 am

Some interesting discussion here.....some not so interesting as well!

All I am saying is that homeopathy has worked very well for me and for several others I know. Not my job to try to convince anybody of anything.

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:21 am

I've got an idea JS, next time you feel the need of homeopathic medicine, try going without for a week or so... according to 'Western" medicine, you probably will get better anyway... most people do get better from most things they 'catch' or experience no matter what doctors do or don't do. It's scientifically proven. And when you're not throwing money into the garbage... try sending it to a 3rd world country.

jilliansue · Post by **jilliansue** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:49 am

Thanks for the suggestion, Julie. I like the idea of sending money to a third world country. I lived in one for a number of years, and it changed my perspective forever.

I haven't taken any homeopathic medicine for a long time. I don't take it when, say, I feel I have a cold, because as you said, something like that gets better on its own. I have taken it for a persistent condition for which Western medicine could offer very little in terms of a true cure.

Happy New Year!

BlackSpinner · Post by **BlackSpinner** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:55 am

Julie wrote:I've got an idea JS, next time you feel the need of homeopathic medicine, try going without for a week or so... according to 'Western" medicine, you probably will get better anyway... most people do get better from most things they 'catch' or experience no matter what doctors do or don't do. It's scientifically proven. And you're not throwing money into the garbage... try sending it to a 3rd world country instead.

It is also scientifically proven that placebo works fine for many people so it is not a good comparison.

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