Can We Drop Homeopathy?

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by DeadlySleep » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:35 pm

PST wrote:What in the world is homeopathic cat food
One milligram cat filet in a two-lb. meatloaf.

Curative.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by Chevie » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:39 pm

jilliansue wrote:I for one, would not want to drop homeopathy!
What, in your mind, is homeopathy?
He consulted a homeopath and on either the 2nd or 3rd remedy she tried, bam! It cleared up and has not plagued him since. My daughter and I have both seen good results using homeopathy for conditions
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?

Did you even read the article in the OP?

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:52 pm

"Homeopathic", like "natural", "organic", and whatever else they might say are just marketing buzzwords.
Even when these terms are referred to in law, it is no guarantee that the law is followed or even enforced.
Some words, in fact, can be seen as markers to be often followed by a bare-faced LIE.
Caution is to be exercised with all ads and labels.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by palerider » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:56 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:"Homeopathic", like "natural", "organic", and whatever else they might say are just marketing buzzwords....
Some words, in fact, can be seen as markers to be often followed by a bare-faced LIE.
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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:00 pm

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by jilliansue » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:45 pm

Chevie wrote:
jilliansue wrote:I for one, would not want to drop homeopathy!
What, in your mind, is homeopathy?

Here is a definition: Homeopathy is a medical science developed by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), a German physician. It is based on the principle that “like cures like”. In simple words, it means that any substance, which can produce symptoms in a healthy person, can cure similar symptoms in a person who is sick. This idea is referred to as the “Law of Similars“, and was understood by Aristotle and Hippocrates and mentioned in ancient Hindu manuscripts. It was Hahnemann, however, who turned it into a science of healing.
He consulted a homeopath and on either the 2nd or 3rd remedy she tried, bam! It cleared up and has not plagued him since. My daughter and I have both seen good results using homeopathy for conditions
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?

There is no way to be 100% sure, of course. But how do you know it was not?

Did you even read the article in the OP?
I read it. I have read many articles about homeopathy. This was merely one, not "the" definitive one.

The mind is like a parachute. It works better when open.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by Cereal Killer » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:11 pm

jilliansue wrote:The mind is like a parachute. It works better when open.
You might not want to leave it so open that garbage trucks start breeding and nesting in it.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by BlackSpinner » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:21 pm

Chevie wrote:
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?
It doesn't matter. Placebo is a well documented medical effect and used for a lot of chronic and pain conditions. And yes it can also help with skin conditions, digestive issues and allergies.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by poppi2 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:28 pm

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by palerider » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:29 pm

jilliansue wrote: The mind is like a parachute. It works better when open.
and if my granny had wheels...

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by jilliansue » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:30 pm

Cereal Killer wrote:
jilliansue wrote:The mind is like a parachute. It works better when open.
You might not want to leave it so open that garbage trucks start breeding and nesting in it.
Yup! Open but with filter in place!

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by jilliansue » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:
Chevie wrote:
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?
It doesn't matter. Placebo is a well documented medical effect and used for a lot of chronic and pain conditions. And yes it can also help with skin conditions, digestive issues and allergies.
Yes, it is amazing what has been discovered about the placebo effect! I hope it will increasingly get its due credit.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by cathyf » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:53 pm

Also, "western" evidence-based medicine is really quite open to quacky-seeming things when they turn out to actually work. I have psoriasis, and one of the quite effective treatments for it is coal tar! The history is pretty simple -- at some point workers who suffered from psoriasis got coal tar on their spots and it helped. There have been actual scientific studies that show that it really helps, and there are lots of products marketed to psoriasis sufferers which contain it as an ingredient.

Petroleum jelly has a similar history. It's a substance that comes out of oil wells with the oil, and oil workers knew that it healed minor skin irritation. A huge variety of mainstream topical medications have petrolatum as a base.

Ever heard of Premarin? It is refined from the urine of pregnant mares. (From a very pampered herd. )

There are pharma research outfits which concentrate on combing the world for traditional healers (aka witch doctors) and their herbs/bark/etc. If they find something that works they turn it into something with western medicine testing and packaging and get FDA approval and become richer than the dreams of avarice* These people are not ignoring things that work out of mindless prejudice. That would mean giving up a huge amount of money that could be made -- human nature is way too greedy for that!


*Star Trek movie reference.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by palerider » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:59 pm

jilliansue wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:
Chevie wrote:
How do you know it wasn't mere happenstance or placebo effects?
It doesn't matter. Placebo is a well documented medical effect and used for a lot of chronic and pain conditions. And yes it can also help with skin conditions, digestive issues and allergies.
Yes, it is amazing what has been discovered about the placebo effect! I hope it will increasingly get its due credit.
homeopathy==placebo.

now THAT makes sense.

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Re: Can We Drop Homeopathy?

Post by Midnight Strangler » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:02 pm

cathyf wrote:human nature is way too greedy for that!
Everybody is evil, I am the only good person in the world, it's all darkness and chaos, blah, blah, blah ...

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