Resmed To Raise Internet CPAP Prices 40%

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Post by Wulfman » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:46 am

Tooly,

Thanks for the link and the information.


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I would think that this would be a great coup for Respironics, F & P and the rest of the manufacturers to increase their market shares.....unless they're REALLY, REALLY STUPID!!! (and think they can follow suit) I'm not willing to place bets on this one.
Seems to me like ResMed is shooting themselves in both feet, along with alienating any truck drivers who may have apnea.
I would THINK that if they're thinking that the market for this equipment has barely scratched the surface, that they would be going the other way with their prices in hopes of getting more people using this therapy (and their products). The logic of some of these companies just absolutely baffles me.

I think sending that link to our congressional and senate representation would be a good idea and asking them if that constitutes "price fixing". I also think sending that link to any trucking websites might be a good idea, too.

I may have to look into the Respironics Comfortfull 2 mask.....looks a lot better than their first generation. In any case, ResMed won't be getting much (if any) of my money from here on out.

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Post by Jstevens75 » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:06 pm

Will everyone call their investor relations PR guy at

1-858-357-5810 (not sure about the number, but I think it is right)

Jack

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:09 pm

Wulfman wrote:I think sending that link to our congressional and senate representation would be a good idea and asking them if that constitutes "price fixing". I also think sending that link to any trucking websites might be a good idea, too.
Those are great suggestions. I hope everyone takes time to do it.

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Post by Guest » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:11 pm

Jstevens75 wrote:Will everyone call their investor relations PR guy at

1-858-357-5810 (not sure about the number, but I think it is right)

Jack
Whose number is this? Why call them?

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Post by Tracywag » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:28 pm

I just sent a comment to the communications rep for the Teamsters.

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Post by OwlCreekObserver » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:27 pm

Snoozin' Bluezzz wrote:
OwlCreekObserver wrote:Well, I'm sure that the free market will resolve this issue. If a Resmed product is priced 40% higher than a comparable Respironics product, where do you suppose the money will go?
This presumes three things - the market is truly free with relatively easy entry (and exit but exit is always easy), no explicit, or implicit, collusion to fix prices and connected to point two, that Respironics will sustain that 40% differential (slight to no chance IMO).

As Bill said - how long do you expect Respironics to hold the line when on-line makes up just a small portion of their market? Not long I'll bet. Resmed gets 40% more on-line Respironics will not sell that much more, in that market, at their lower price to incent them to keep prices down.

When talking about "big" players, describing this country as a "free market" based country is silly IMO. Barriers to entry are extremely high because of cost and chronic anti-competitive practices between businesses and through the exercise of political clout. The best government money can buy.

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Post by Rastaman » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:44 pm

If Resmed raises rates, so will Respironics. It's the law of supply and demand. Respironics will feel like they're losing money otherwise. It's just the law of the land. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in cahoots.


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Post by OwlCreekObserver » Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:12 pm

You could all be right, of course. You don't see any oil company holding its prices when the competition raises theirs.

On the other hand, Walmart doesn't compete with other discounters by raising its prices to meet theirs. They accept a thinner profit margin and then make it up on volume.

If Resmed follows through with this questionable strategy, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out over the long term. I don't own any of their stuff and certainly won't buy any of it if/when their prices make their 40% leap for on-line purchases.


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Post by Sleepy-in-AL » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:07 pm

It has come to my attention that ResMed corporation, 14040 Danielson Street,Poway CA 92064-6857, has publicly announced an intention to implement a policy starting in August the end result of which is to defraud insurance providers and consumers, including Medicaid and Medicare, by artificially maintaining the inflated rates that these providers are charged for their products. They intend to do this by implementing a 40% surcharge on internet sales of their product. The following quote is from an article published at Investor's Business Daily:

"The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services recently declined to extend reimbursement to cover a new "automatic breathing algorithm" feature, which adjusts the air pressure when the patient exhales.

At the same time, ResMed has struggled to control cut-rate sales of its products over the Internet. In August the firm plans to implement a 40% price increase on Internet prices to get them in line with reimbursement rates."

Please reference the entire article at http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDA ... e=20060620

This act of price gouging and price fixing should be cause of alarm to everyone involved in the consumption of medical equipment, especially insurance providers.

Many of us who rely on this equipment out of medical necessity turn to internet providers to purchase equipment, often out of pocket, because MANY of the "brick and mortar" medical equipment provider provide such poor service that they are unable or unwilling to meet our needs. To make up for their inability or unwillingness to provide quaility service, they charge us or our insurance (and often both) EXTREMELY over inflated prices.

Please look into whether these actions, if implemented, will constitute fraud against consumers and insurance providers, especially government funded Medicare and Medicaid.



Thank you for your time.
This is what I sent the US DOJ, OIG (Medicare Fraud), and Alabama Atty General. They will be comitting fraud against consumers and insurance providers by attempting to artificially inflating the reimbursement rate.


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Post by RedThunder94 » Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:11 pm

excellent letter, that will be sure to get it noticed.

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Post by Goofproof » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:16 pm

[quote="Wulfman"]Tooly,

Thanks for the link and the information.


General comments:
I would think that this would be a great coup for Respironics, F & P and the rest of the manufacturers to increase their market shares.....unless they're REALLY, REALLY STUPID!!! (and think they can follow suit) I'm not willing to place bets on this one.
Seems to me like ResMed is shooting themselves in both feet, along with alienating any truck drivers who may have apnea.
I would THINK that if they're thinking that the market for this equipment has barely scratched the surface, that they would be going the other way with their prices in hopes of getting more people using this therapy (and their products). The logic of some of these companies just absolutely baffles me.

I think sending that link to our congressional and senate representation would be a good idea and asking them if that constitutes "price fixing". I also think sending that link to any trucking websites might be a good idea, too.

I may have to look into the Respironics Comfortfull 2 mask.....looks a lot better than their first generation. In any case, ResMed won't be getting much (if any) of my money from here on out.

Den

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Post by Rastaman » Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:52 pm

I wonder how accurate that report is. I mean, are we sure this isn't something put out by the competitors? This is America last I checked.

If it is correct and they're just testing the waters to see the reaction, I can't imagine this going through. Think about it. They're losing market share right now as it is due to C-flex, or so I'm guessing. I'm guessing this based on the number of Respironics fans on this website. While it's not everyone out there I would think it's these views represent a larger number of people who also do the same thing.

This means Resmed should be losing market share unless their name is SO POWERFUL that they're not. And if that's the case, how do they do it? How does 4 out of 5 people pick Respironics and the other companies still do even remotely well? That's the question. Or is this just a recent thing? Is C-flex not that old and Resmed had the lion share before but they're slowly or quickly losing it?


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Post by DME_Guy » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:11 pm

I love Resmed! DMEs rule and now you all know it!

Just kidding.



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Post by mikemoran » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:27 pm

Rastaman,

People on here actually get to make decisions and choices about the machine they end up with. Whether they buy them on their own or go to batle with Doctors and DMEs. The difference is they are informed and realize they can take control of their therapy. We are the exception, not the rule. The majority just blindly follow their doctors and insuarance companies because they don't know they have choices.

It is also the reason so many don't stay compliant. They fight with poorly fitted masks, machines that were titratred in the worst of circumstances ( the sleep lab) and finally after a few weeks of no support from anyone say the hell with it. This is the biggest crime of all.

So while it looks like Respironics is the favorite from on here it isn't the favorite of the DMEs or doctors. Resmed has marketed them very well and as long as they are the primary providers of equipment we really don't hurt them by voting with our dollars. The other thing to keep in mind is the CPAP is usually a one time investment but masks must be bought over and over. Resmed still makes the most popular masks so don't expect them out of the marketplace anytime soon.

My take is they finally figured out that there is less and less distinction between everyones blowers but people are dependent on their favorite masks. With a higher number of people buying replacement masks on the internet they see the opportunity to increase margins for the one device people will pay anything for if it is the thing that works for them. It is pure greed.


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Post by Sleepy-in-AL » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:32 pm

Rastaman wrote:
This means Resmed should be losing market share unless their name is SO POWERFUL that they're not. And if that's the case, how do they do it? How does 4 out of 5 people pick Respironics and the other companies still do even remotely well? That's the question. Or is this just a recent thing? Is C-flex not that old and Resmed had the lion share before but they're slowly or quickly losing it?


In regards to the article's authenticity, it appears that it is an editorial. So, all bets are off. But, the article makes specific quotes attributed to specific individuals. If its not true, there should be some slander lawsuits coming forth.

I'm sure that the users of this forum aren't their target customer. After all, we are the Internet consumers that are "low balling" them. As has been noted here many times, they see their customer as the DME, not the patient. They are hoping to capture more large DME accounts where they expect those DMEs patients will blindly accept whatever is given to them without question or even knowledge that anything else is available.

If you hadn't found this forum, would you have known what to ask for or what was even available? I know I wouldn't have. I believe that the market they are targeting is a shrinking one (at least I hope that). I think that consumers are starting to get smarter and will begin to break the DR -> DME = You get what I say cycle. But maybe thats just wishful thinking on my part.


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