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Davidwnc wrote:And just what do you think the difference is between a middleman and a 'product-named company'?...

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It's just marketing of something made by someone else... Cabela's isn't a manufacturer.

I agree with what you wrote David, but there are some oldtimers on here who have grudges against everybody in the supply chain from the sleep lab to the DME and this is a place for them to vent - whether it makes sense or not.

I am pretty sure Wulfman has posted that he would like to see machines sold at WalMart and would love to see what he would say if that ever happened. lol

Personally, I am happy about the advancements made in machines and masks.

No matter how cheap, you still cannot buy a new car without a speedometer.
Gov't regulations, mostly for safety.
Drugs have to actually contain the active ingredient claimed--more regulations.
The only reason Cpaps can be sold with no feedback is ignorance, pure and simple.
Efficacy failure can kill, but it's not as "severe" as a 2X4 across the forehead.

Midnight Strangler wrote:

Davidwnc wrote:And just what do you think the difference is between a middleman and a 'product-named company'?...

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It's just marketing of something made by someone else... Cabela's isn't a manufacturer.

I agree with what you wrote David, but there are some oldtimers on here who have grudges against everybody in the supply chain from the sleep lab to the DME and this is a place for them to vent - whether it makes sense or not.

I am pretty sure Wulfman has posted that he would like to see machines sold at WalMart and would love to see what he would say if that ever happened. lol

Personally, I am happy about the advancements made in machines and masks.

Probably about the same thing I said back in this thread......long time ago.

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A few other tidbits:

http://www.ce-marking.com/what-is-a-manufacturer.html


Definition of Manufacturer

1. The manufacturer is any natural or legal person who is responsible for designing and manufacturing a product with a view to placing it on the Community market "under his own name" (or trademark*).

2. The responsibilities of the manufacturer apply also to any natural or legal person who assembles, packs, processes, or labels ready-made products with a view to their being placed on the Community market "under his own name".

3. Further, the responsibility of the manufacturer is placed on any person who changes the intended use of a product in such a way that different essential requirements will become applicable, or substantially modifies or re-builds a product (thus creating a new product), with a view to placing it on the Community market.

4. The manufacturer may design and manufacture the product himself. As an alternative, he may have it designed, manufactured, assembled, packed, processed or labeled with a view to placing it on the Community market "under his own name", and thus presenting himself as a manufacturer. Where sub-contracting takes place, the manufacturer must retain the overall control for the product and ensure that he receives all the information that is necessary to fulfill his responsibilities according to the New Approach directives. The manufacturer who subcontracts some or all of his activities may in no circumstances discharge himself from his responsibilities, for example to an authorized representative, a distributor, a retailer, a wholesaler, a user or a sub-contractor.

5. The manufacturer has sole and ultimate responsibility for the conformity of the product to the applicable directives, whether he designed and manufactured the product himself or is considered as a manufacturer because the product is placed on the market "under his name".


Under those definitions, Cabela's would be categorized as a "manufacturer".
And, Remington DEFINITELY IS.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/middleman

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/middleman

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/middleman

The word "middleman" also seems to be a pretty broad definition......including a distributor or dealer.
: an intermediary or agent between two parties; especially : a dealer, agent, or company intermediate between the producer of goods and the retailer or consumer


Den
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Midnight Strangler wrote:I am pretty sure Wulfman has posted that he would like to see machines sold at WalMart and would love to see what he would say if that ever happened. lol

Let's see...Walmart vs DME - that is a tough one...who will help you less? Who will give you a better deal?

What will your DME do for you that Walmart isn't already doing?

I give...

Few things are made in the U.S.A., some are assembled in the U.S.A., from contracted foreign parts, in a vein sham that we have a economy. All we are is a country of mark up sales stores, nothing is adding value to our products.

My 2009 GMC truck is from Canada, made with parts from all over. It's a world economy, except the U.S. no longer makes the products or parts, sales just gives us a small piece of the action. Jim

Goofproof wrote:Few things are made in the U.S.A., some are assembled in the U.S.A., from contracted foreign parts, in a vein sham that we have a economy. All we are is a country of mark up sales stores, nothing is adding value to our products.

My 2009 GMC truck is from Canada, made with parts from all over. It's a world economy, except the U.S. no longer makes the products or parts, sales just gives us a small piece of the action. Jim

You are misinformed.

1) US Manufacturing, as represented by the Industrial Production Index, has shown practically continuous growth since the start of the 1960's. There are small dips occurring at recessions, but the overall trend has been and still is to have increasing production and exponential growth.

2) The reason people belive US manufacturing has fallen, or is struggling - is not due to its growth and production levels. Its due to employment. Simply put, since 2000 the US jobs in manufacturing have been decreasing. I.e., working in detroit as a blue collar employee is not a good future.

3) Fact 2 is not due to us falling behind in the world. When joined with fact 1, it is clear that what has been the cause of job loss in manufacturing is increasing productivity. We need fewer workers to make widgets nowadays. This has to do with increasing efficiency, better use of skilled workers, and use of automation. This is a trend which will continue for the future. Job losses should continue - but that does not mean that manufacturer companies in the US have a bad future - instead, things look very positive for the companies themselves.

4) The other big change occuring besides increased productivity, is the greatly increasing trend of rising imports in the US. During most of the rising imports of the last 30 years, manufacturing jobs remained steady in the US. While the trade imbalance continues to worsen, and only recovers during recessions (When we stop consuming sooo much), it was not the cause of the loss of employment. The cause was large increases in productivity, occuring with the big recessions of 2000-2003 and now 2007-2010. Companies drop workers, still keep up production rates and have higher productivity.

Guest wrote:

Midnight Strangler wrote:I am pretty sure Wulfman has posted that he would like to see machines sold at WalMart and would love to see what he would say if that ever happened. lol

Let's see...Walmart vs DME - that is a tough one...who will help you less? Who will give you a better deal?

What will your DME do for you that Walmart isn't already doing?

I give...

me thinks the same people who came here to give Dennis a hard time are DME employees and are the same poll trolls, here to out do pr. just out to upset the apple cart. can't CG/JG find out who is bringing up the poll threads?

Guest wrote:

Guest wrote:

Midnight Strangler wrote:I am pretty sure Wulfman has posted that he would like to see machines sold at WalMart and would love to see what he would say if that ever happened. lol

Let's see...Walmart vs DME - that is a tough one...who will help you less? Who will give you a better deal?

What will your DME do for you that Walmart isn't already doing?

I give...

me thinks the same people who came here to give Dennis a hard time are DME employees and are the same poll trolls, here to out do pr. just out to upset the apple cart. can't CG/JG find out who is bringing up the poll threads?

Be careful what you wish for. They might find out your identity, too.

But, as "Frank Bartles" used to say in their (Bartles & Jaymes) commercials........"Thank you for your support."


Den

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Wulfman... wrote:Be careful what you wish for. They might find out your identity, too.

me worry? snot in my dna

but then I don't remember wishing for anything either just pointing out the obvious

Guest wrote:who is bringing up the poll threads?

That one doesn't bother me. I have the discipline just to skip over them.

But the ones whining about the polls ... they are a bit much for me.

I haven't been here enough lately to keep up with the players - who is JG?

ChicagoGranny wrote:I haven't been here enough lately to keep up with the players - who is JG?

I'm assuming:
CG/JG
Carolyn Goodman / Johnny Goodman

NateS wrote:Frankly, I also don't get the hostility about FaceBook.

It's people that have never given it a good try. They don't know WTF they are missing out on.

I am old enough that I don't travel much anymore. FB is a great way to keep connected for me. It's surprising how many young FB friends I have. But the ones who I have the most fun with are older, retired friends. When you are young and still working, you don't have so much time and you have to be careful about what you post for career reasons.

kaiasgram wrote:

ChicagoGranny wrote:I haven't been here enough lately to keep up with the players - who is JG?

I'm assuming:
CG/JG
Carolyn Goodman / Johnny Goodman

I don't think either of them care. Plus some newbies might like reading those old polls. Sure this forum is good for us oldtime CPAPers to keep up with new developments, but it is primarily about newbies learning to take care of themselves.

ChicagoGranny wrote: It's people that have never given it a good try. They don't know WTF they are missing out on.

I've never given facebook a try. I know what I'm missing. I've used one particular site since before the term "Social Media" was in vogue, or maybe before it was even coined. That site has been devalued quite a bit by its popularity and the facebook approach people take to it nowadays. I choose not to participate because there are enough businesses tracking my whereabouts and activities every second of every day. I don't feel like handing them a map to my personal life to go along with it. There's value in these sites it's true. Just not nearly enough for me to surrender a complete portrait of my life to marketers for a pittance.

And the data lives forever. You may never find this out firsthand, but trust me, nothing ever goes away completely.

Amenite wrote: but trust me

Why should anyone trust an anonymous internet troll?