Is 12 breaths a minute considered weak respiratory effort?

[Madalot]

well klonopin really works well with asv+oxygen. if you know the mechanism maybe there are other treatments.
whatever, those stupid idiotic posters sit there and fuck up these threads because they are fucking idiots and don't have anything to add of substance
Yeah I'm talking about you MADALOT! why is it you have to go fuck my life and all the threads on here? don't you have any FUCKING thing constructive to say??

well klonopin really works well with asv+oxygen. if you know the mechanism
maybe there are other treatments.
whatever, I am a stupid idiotic poster and sit there and fuck up these thread because I am a fucking idiot and don't have anything to add of substance.
Yeah I'm talking about MYSELF Madalot! why is it I have to go fuck my life and all the threads on here? don't I have any FUCKING thing constructive to say??

OMG -- that is too funny!!! My husband just asked me what in the heck I am laughing at!!!

On a more serious note, I started reading this thread because it was of interest to me, considering I have weakened respiratory effort and while my average during the night is around 11-12bpm, my machine is set at 8 because anything higher rushes me when I'm awake.....

[guest1]

Doesn't matter what anyone says to swa17.... he/she is too stoned to get it. His/her brain is in OFF position to what anyone says and his/her mouth is definitely in ON position..... and that's one dirty mouth to boot, not one of the members here deserve any kind of swearing.

[JohnBFisher]

Doesn't matter what anyone says to swa17.... he/she is too stoned to get it. His/her brain is in OFF position to what anyone says and his/her mouth is definitely in ON position..... and that's one dirty mouth to boot, not one of the members here deserve any kind of swearing.

Which is why I've given up on attempting to help SWA/Dying .. Whoever this is refuses to move forward toward health and would rather moan about "woe is me". And you know what, we've got folks here with MUCH MORE SERIOUS health issues who try to do all they can to help others. It gets old. But as you note because people don't know the background, I've taken to posting a caution for other readers.

SWA has serious problems with sleep and lack of compliance. Though SWA appears to have latched onto apnea as a reason for not being positive, it is good to see that SWA was able to attain some good sleep last night. Here's hoping SWA will continue to progress toward better health.

PS. Klonopin is generaly NOT recommended for someone with central sleep apnea. Use Google (or another search engine) to learn about the side effects of Klonopin.

[SuddenlyWornOut45]

sickwithapnea17, my impression of you is of someone who is either: 1) someone who is just trying to screw with forum members and trying to get a rise out of people here, but you do not know how to do that well or 2) you are seriously, seriously ffffed up in the head. I am not a doctor and not qualified to diagnose a tweety bird, but in my layman's opinion, frankly you sound like a psychotic.

If you are the #2, I'd suggest you get to a psychiatrist offline, print off a bunch of your posts and there are drugs they can give you to bring you back to some sort of being in touch with reality. Thorazine, haldol, abilify, zyprexa, Seroquel, there are many of them. In all honesty, in my layman opinion you NEED something along this line...possibly along with an inpatient stay at a psychiatric hospital.

Get help soon, please!!!

Eric

[Sludge]

The difference is that this is poor central control of the respiration and not poor respiratory effort.

Agreed.

Generally, if one wishes to measure respiratory effort, they would measure NIF (Negative inspiratory Force), PEF (Positive Expiratory Force) and then do an FVC (Forced Vital Capacity).

However, one generally does not consider "respiratory rate" per se if they are having a string of centrals (as suggested in your discussion points). Any attempt to come up with a value would/could be meaningless ("Well, your rate is 16 here for a while, and now it's 0 for a while, so let's split the difference and call it 8.")

One might argue that a useful calculation of f could be made by only looking at actual breathing during those periods (making the assumption that f would otherwise continue through apneic periods)(and if one were trying to manually set a back-up rate on an ASV, they would (should) use some sort of objective criteria to calculate that), but recovery breaths following centrals tend to be more rapid (unless one is CSRing), so it might be a better idea to look at some other area of otherwise stable breathing (and probably not REM)(or NREM3)(maybe some deuce if you can find it)(I think parentheses are the greatest invention ever) to get that.

[sickwithapnea17]

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[Madalot]

Oh my goodness! Such language!

[zoocrewphoto]

Are there any rules about excessive swearing? It is really not pleasant to see multiple f bombs in the same post, let alone multiple posts in the thread.

I wouldn't want to ban somebody or even put them on my foe list (which I have never felt the need to start), especially when it is clear they could use the help. But it would be nice to warn or moderate somebody if they can't behave. Or maybe have a filter that refuses to post some of the worst words.

[chunkyfrog]

SWA:
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have let you stroke my back. It's all my fault.
(It's possible I'm part cane toad, --just a wee bit, but enough for a touch of venom--my bad)

[ems]

Look YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE SAYING YOU DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW ME!!!
I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU AND YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT ASSHOLES!!!!
some of the settings I got on the forum were ok, but I still can't sleep on this auto setting and woke up with bad chest pains one night and now I have TACHYCARDIA!!!

Seriously, you need much more than a change of settings! If the people here are such idiots, why do you continue to post and ask questions? You said you are, "not listening"... so why ask for help? Only the new people bother to answer you, and they catch on pretty quickly.

You need more help than anyone on this forum can provide!

[ems]

TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS:

IF WE ALL STOP REPLYING THIS PERSON WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY!

***To a new person reading this thread, please read SWA's other posts and you'll understand why you shouldn't respond! This person needs serious help which no one on this forum is in a position to provide!***

[robysue]

Look YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE SAYING YOU DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW ME!!!
I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU AND YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT ASSHOLES!!!!
some of the settings I got on the forum were ok, but I still can't sleep on this auto setting and woke up with bad chest pains one night and now I have TACHYCARDIA!!!

Sickwithapnea,

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You need to be consulting a doctor for all of the multiple conditions you are dealing with. You need to be working with one doctor long term on the breathing issues and one doctor long term on the sleep issues. If you wake up with bad chest pains, you need to go to the ER and you need to do it right away.

[zoocrewphoto]

TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS:

IF WE ALL STOP REPLYING THIS PERSON WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY!

***To a new person reading this thread, please read SWA's other posts and you'll understand why you shouldn't respond! This person needs serious help which no one on this forum is in a position to provide!***

That will never happen as the posts from SWA come in randomly, often in somebody else's topic, and we have new people every day. There is no way to warn all new people to avoid responding.

[ems]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You need to be consulting a doctor for all of the multiple conditions you are dealing with. You need to be working with one doctor long term on the breathing issues and one doctor long term on the sleep issues. If you wake up with bad chest pains, you need to go to the ER and you need to do it right away.

Robysue... you are very kind. Seriously! But, your effort is a waste of time.

And Zoocrew... you are probably right.

[mgaggie]

Well this thread got out of control faster than the staff xmas party