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Post by Wulfman... » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:18 pm

hegel wrote:Wulfman, my point about politicians trying to sabotage (or undermine, abort, if you prefer) Obamacare isn't rumor, it's fact; the politicians who are doing it state as much right up front. So no contradiction.

This whole policy was discussed for years; it was effectively voted on over four elections cycles. It is the law. It's big and complicated; there will be glitches. But again, let me say that now is the time to try make it work through good faith efforts that aim to make the policy achieve it's intended goals. It's a policy that at least tries to address the current health care affordability crisis. Staying with the current system will just guarentee rising premiums on a yearly basis--the ones that we've had for the last twenty years--as far as the eye can see.

It's probably true that a lot of small business owners will stop providing health care; the idea of the ACA is that premiums for those same employees should be about the same under the ACA. Relieving small businesses from the burden of providing health care, with it's yearly increase of rates, should allow those same businesses to now provide raises in wages. (Yearly increases in insurance rates have effectively offset paying raises to employees over many years.)

This isn't the program I would have wanted either, but it looks like it will achieve some important things.
This administration does NOT have a track record of instilling confidence in ANYTHING it attempts to do. In fact, quite the opposite. They should NOT be trusted.

The "ACA" makes little to no attempt at making healthcare "affordable". The same players (insurance and healthcare providers) are still playing the same game and the rules haven't changed all that much to them. Healthcare costs are not going to be coming down and neither are insurance premiums for the vast majority of folks. Oh, sure, we can find a few examples of those it HAS come down for, but covering millions of more people means it's not going to happen. The other thing is that it's going to require millions of more young (healthy) people to purchase insurance. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. I'm betting not very well. How are they going to collect those premiums?
How are people who are out of work going to be able to pay for health insurance?
How are people who got their hours cut (to part-time status) going to be able to pay for it?

Employers are cutting their workforces to less than 50. Many are dropping healthcare coverage for all their employees......they'd rather pay the penalty because it's less expensive. You can't blame them.
Point is, every time the government comes up with "rules", there are ways of getting around them.


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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by bwexler » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:44 pm

First employer provided health insurance was originally created because of government wage controls. Employers could not offer competitive wages for skilled employees so they added new perks that the government had not restricted.

I believe we would all be better off if insurance were purchased by individuals and not by employers, so it would be "portable", you could take it with you regardless of where you worked or your employment status.

When people pay for their own insurance / medical care, they might ask a new question, "how much will this cost?", or "why do I need this", or "is there a cheaper way to accomplish the desired results?"

If law suits and judgements had a reasonable cap malpractice insurance might not cost a doctor $150,000 a year. A reduction in overhead could make medical costs go down some. If a doctor sees 20 patients a day his malpractice insurance costs each patient $30.

Less red tape and delay in trying to collect from insurance and medicare might also help control costs. One doctor I know told me he required a full time person to process insurance requests for approval and insurance billing. He obviously prefers cash only patients.

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by zoocrewphoto » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:48 pm

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hegel wrote: Again, let's see how this plays out. Providing health care to millions who can't afford it is a good thing in my book. If it works out, everyone benefits. But I guess you guys read a different book.
As somebody who is on the verge of losing my insurance (after 24 years of employment with decent insurance, I don't see it as a good thing if *I* lose my insurance. If it works for lots of other people, great. But please don't insist that "everybody benefits" when some of us are losing. As far as I know, everybody means every body. My contract expired back in May. The big sticking point is that my employer wants to drop insurance coverage and cut hours to avoid the penalty. Why do they want to cut it? The 40% Cadillac tax. We were supposed to be safe until 2018, but they lost the waiver.

Negotiations have been so bad that a 72 hour notice was given a few hours ago. If we don't get a contract by Monday evening, I will be on strike. I can't afford a strike anymore than I can afford to lose my insurance or pay for a government health plan. Unless we get a contract by Monday evening, I am guaranteed to lose big. I can't afford loss of pay. I really don't care about a wage increase. It would be nice, but honestly, if we can just keep our insurance, not lose the holiday pay, and still get hours above 30; I will be thrilled. It is really sounding like a long shot though.
The "cadillac tax" on high end plans simply does not go into effect until 2018. It isn't a matter of losing a waiver. There is no such tax until then. Is it possible that your employer is bargaining in bad faith and using misinformation about the law as an excuse? There is something screwy about a company that already offers health insurance saying it must cut people's hours so it doesn't have to offer health insurance. Whatever motive it may have, it isn't telling the truth about losing a waiver for the "cadillac tax."
The employers aren't saying much. They do say they want to continue offering insurance, but they have been unable to come up with something agreeable to the union. Unfortunately, our union doesn't tell us much, so all we heard from them is that employer wants to reduce hours below 30 for everybody so that they can eliminate health insurance. The union is so pro-democrat that it really can't say much without admitting that it promoted the very laws that are now hurting us. I have seen many segments on the news (various stations) showing larger union leaders (national, not local) complaining about how Obamacare is going to hurt health insurance for union members, and how this was supposed to be protected. (Which is why I thought the waiver had been lost).

Here is part of the letter by James Hoffa in regard to the damage the ACA is causing for union employees.

"First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies."


Both the employers and union have been very vague with very little actual information. The union website did have a list of issues and what the employer proposal was, but that page is down now. I went through every page regarding negotiations and could not find it. The employers say they still want to give insurance, but the details need to be worked out. But they also stated that the rule would be changed to 30 hours minimum for insurance (it is currently 15 for single and 20 for family coverage). Very few employees get 30 or more hours currently, so even if the scheduling stays the same, most people will instantly lose coverage. And since we know that NOBODY is classified as full time except managers, and nobody is guaranteed 40 hours, then it will be pretty easy for everybody to get dropped below 30 hours. Even many employees with 20+ years only work 25-30 hours currently. many employees with 10+ years get 15-25 years. So, if they change the minimum hour requirement to 30, most employees will lose insurance.

The stupid people on the news keep reporting that we have threatened a strike because we want the wages and health insurance we deserve. To people watching the news, that usually means a raise, as if we are demanding a raise. In reality, we are simply asking for no loss of current wages or benefits. Honestly, I would be happy to go without a raise for the next 3 years if it meant I could keep my current insurance. I would even be okay with a small increase in premiums. And that's coming from somebody who can't afford to buy a car or live on my own. I am not rich by any means. Most years, a raise is only 25 cents an hour, so it isn't a big deal not to get another one of those.

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Post by cpapist » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:34 am

" nates: I am confident that the Administration "

That is one of the problems. It is the tribal instinct from our evolution. Choose a side and it becomes your tribe. Defend that side to the end. It doesn't matter whether your side is right or wrong, it's still you side. Stick with it even when it is completely wrong. Your tribAL instinct has blinded you to the truth.

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These Texans Say Obamacare Is Helping Them

Post by NateS » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:38 am

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... elps-texas

Hey, Ted Cruz! These Texans Say Obamacare Is Helping Them
But the Affordable Care Act could still fail if the federal government doesn't get its act together.
—By Erika Eichelberger | Mon Oct. 21, 2013 3:00 AM PDT

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has compared his fight to defund the Affordable Care Act to the fight against Nazi Germany. He sees it as his duty to provide "relief to the millions of people who are hurting because of Obamacare." The uninsured in his own state will tell you a different story.

Stacy Anderson, from Fort Worth, runs her own business selling sweaters online. She says she has not had health insurance for the past seven years because the sweater business is not too lucrative. "It cost more than I made some months," she says. Anderson says she was just diagnosed with skin cancer, though it is not life-threatening. "I've had it, apparently, for the entire seven years I've been uninsured," she says. "It will be nice if I can buy health insurance and get it treated."

Jeffrey Coffey is a 49-year-old from Austin who earns a living as a musician. He says has insurance, but notes that the $361 monthly premium is "way expensive" on his $22,000 salary; he says he pays more because he has asthma. Coffey says he applied for cheaper plans numerous times this year, but was turned down. "Getting rejection letters is depressing," he says. When Coffey buys insurance on the exchange, he estimates he will able to get coverage for $160 a month, a $200 savings. "But so far I haven't been able to log on to the website," he adds.

Andrew (who prefers his last name not be used) is a BFA student at Texas State University in San Marcos. He's in his mid-30s and has gone without insurance for years because it's too expensive. He has also avoided doctors for fear that he'd be diagnosed with a chronic condition, and insurance companies would "blacklist" him when he finally applied for coverage. Andrew says he no longer has to worry about that when he signs up for insurance through the exchanges this month. Andrew and his wife, a pre-K teacher, want to have a baby soon, and he says that Obamacare makes it "much more affordable for us to plan when and where we will start a family. I no longer need to worry that, god forbid, if one of us gets sick, we will be dropped from our insurance."

3.5 million uninsured Texans will finally get coverage under Obamacare. (One million more could have been covered if Gov. Rick Perry had agreed to the law's expansion of Medicaid.) Texas has the highest percentage of uninsured citizens in the country; of the 25 million people in Texas, one in four don't have health insurance coverage.

Here are some other ways Texans are already benefiting from Obamacare:

The 77 percent of Texans who already have insurance will have more comprehensive coverage than before.
Some 357,000 under 26-year-olds in Texas who would otherwise have been uninsured have gained coverage through their parents.
In 2011 and 2012, over 5 million Texans with private health plans gained free preventive service coverage.
More than 10 million Texans, including 1.6 million children, have a pre-existing health condition, such as asthma or diabetes. Because of Obamacare, insurers are not allowed to deny coverage to kids because of pre-existing conditions. Starting in 2014, insurance companies will no longer be able to charge more or deny coverage to adults with pre-existing conditions.
Because of the new law, health insurance companies now have to spend at least 80 percent of your premium on health care costs, or provide you a refund. This means that 726,237 Texas residents with private insurance coverage will get $46,327,708 in refunds from insurance companies this year.
Obamacare bans insurance companies from imposing lifetime dollar limits on health benefits, a boon for cancer patients and other people with chronic diseases. 7,536,000 people in Texas, including 2,094,000 children, no longer have to worry about lifetime coverage limits.
Because of Obamacare, Texans with Medicare have so far saved nearly $421 million on prescription drugs. In 2012 alone, 206,304 people in the state in saved an average of $680 each.
Cruz has claimed that Obamacare is killing jobs. Some companies have blamed the health law for cuts to workers' hours, but the law is also creating jobs in Cruz' state. The federal government gave Texas $9.9 million to help enroll uninsured Americans through the exchanges, which the state will use to hire 193 workers. Obamacare also provided extra funding for doctors who practice in low-income rural and urban areas areas. There are now more than 300 of these primary care clinicians in Texas, compared with 115 in 2008.
Although Lone State pols have claimed that Obamacare will cause ballooning health insurance costs, the average monthly premium in the state is now lower than the national average, standing at $305. Among mid-level plans across the country, Texas has some of the cheapest; the average monthly premium for a mid-level plan for a 27-year-old is $108. (There are five tiers of health plan that can be purchased on the health exchanges, ranging from cheaper, lower quality Bronze plans to fancier Platinum plans.)
Rep. Gene Green (D-Texas), who helped draft the healthcare law, and represents the Houston area, which is home to some 1.4 million uninsured, says Obamacare is essential in Texas. "Although Houston has some of the best hospitals in the world," he said earlier this year, "The area where I grew up and now represent has one of the lowest rates of adequate health insurance for adults in the entire nation. This law has helped remedy this for communities like ours across the entire US and that's a great accomplishment."

But there's no guarantee that Obamacare will continue to benefit Texans. Perry and other GOPers in the state have done everything they can to block implementation of the law, including refusing to set up state-run health insurance exchanges. For now, Lone Star residents have to sign up for coverage through the federal government's buggy, rickety website. If too few uninsured people sign up for health plans in a state with such a huge, hard-to-reach uninsured population, insurance prices could rise around the country and stymie the success of the law nationwide.

That's why the Obama administration and proponents in Texas are doing everything they can to get people enrolled. The administration sent Texas nearly $11 million—more than any other state—to pay navigators, the grassroots workers who help people enroll in the health plans. In Houston, city officials are modeling their efforts to enroll people on the exchanges on the emergency response systems they use in case of a hurricane or public health disaster.

But for now, the biggest thing that could help Obamacare's roll-out in Texas is an insurance exchange website that works: "I would just like to be able to sign up," Texas resident Alexandra Bonifield said on Facebook. "Fix it, please."

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by cpapist » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:43 am

What I never understood about socialists is this: Why don't they create an organization in which all members are contractually bound to contribute a certain amount of money depending on their income. They can they use that money to pay for the healthcare, rent, food, etc of all the other members.

Of course, anyone with a brain knows that there will be more people pulling the wagon than pulling it. People would be attracted to join because all their needs would be met but the people who actually produced wealth would not, knowing that the fruits of their labors would belong to everyone else. Such a voluntary system is doomed to fail and the socialists know it, that's why they want to use the violence of government to force everyone to pay into what they think is a perfect system, and even then, socialism has been an utter failure.

In short, good ideas don't require force. If socialism was a good system, people would be using it.

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Post by cpapist » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:57 am

Obamacare really will make people sick - at Obama's little talk this morning - www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=w2zJvS0S38Y


hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Sorry for the poor girl. But then again she is an Obama-loving socialist. She's young. Hopefully she learns better as she matures

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Post by deerhound » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:59 am

cpapist wrote:Obamacare really will make people sick - at Obama's little talk this morning - www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=w2zJvS0S38Y


hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Sorry for the poor girl. But then again she is an Obama-loving socialist. She's young. Hopefully she learns better as she matures
She just realized that everything he has ever said was just a bunch of lies he read off the teleprompter!

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Post by cpapist » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:06 pm

"She just realized that everything he has ever said was just a bunch of lies he read off the teleprompter!"


You may be right Deerhound. I hope that was her moment of enlightenment.


Ever seen this Deerhound? facebook dot com/photo dot php?v=10150319536827360&set=vb.758767359&type=2&theater

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Re: These Texans Say Obamacare Is Helping Them

Post by woodworkerjunkie » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:59 pm

NateS wrote:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... elps-texas

Hey, Ted Cruz! These Texans Say Obamacare Is Helping Them
But the Affordable Care Act could still fail if the federal government doesn't get its act together.
—By Erika Eichelberger | Mon Oct. 21, 2013 3:00 AM PDT

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has compared his fight to defund the Affordable Care Act to the fight against Nazi Germany. He sees it as his duty to provide "relief to the millions of people who are hurting because of Obamacare." The uninsured in his own state will tell you a different story.
Then there are people that gets harmed by the ACA! It goes both ways. It will only get more expensive as it goes along, since I have never seen a government program reduce cost, instead they want more money every year! Be sure and watch the video, she discusses the medical equipment tax that does get attached to home equipment and supplies!
http://www.nccivitas.org/2013/your-obamacare-stories/

If you can't understand why companies are dropping their healthcare plans or why they are laying off or reducing peoples hours here is a good story to look at with charts. https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ir_6.htm

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by idamtnboy » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:10 am

zoocrewphoto wrote:As somebody who is on the verge of losing my insurance (after 24 years of employment with decent insurance, I don't see it as a good thing if *I* lose my insurance. If it works for lots of other people, great. But please don't insist that "everybody benefits" when some of us are losing. As far as I know, everybody means every body. My contract expired back in May. The big sticking point is that my employer wants to drop insurance coverage and cut hours to avoid the penalty. Why do they want to cut it? The 40% Cadillac tax. We were supposed to be safe until 2018, but they lost the waiver.

Negotiations have been so bad that a 72 hour notice was given a few hours ago. If we don't get a contract by Monday evening, I will be on strike. I can't afford a strike anymore than I can afford to lose my insurance or pay for a government health plan. Unless we get a contract by Monday evening, I am guaranteed to lose big. I can't afford loss of pay. I really don't care about a wage increase. It would be nice, but honestly, if we can just keep our insurance, not lose the holiday pay, and still get hours above 30; I will be thrilled. It is really sounding like a long shot though.
I heard on the news this morning that unions have reached an agreement with Safeway and other supermarket chains in the Seattle area. Is this the contract you are referring to? If so, it sounds like good news for employees, but what is your take?

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by zoocrewphoto » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:32 am

idamtnboy wrote:
zoocrewphoto wrote:As somebody who is on the verge of losing my insurance (after 24 years of employment with decent insurance, I don't see it as a good thing if *I* lose my insurance. If it works for lots of other people, great. But please don't insist that "everybody benefits" when some of us are losing. As far as I know, everybody means every body. My contract expired back in May. The big sticking point is that my employer wants to drop insurance coverage and cut hours to avoid the penalty. Why do they want to cut it? The 40% Cadillac tax. We were supposed to be safe until 2018, but they lost the waiver.

Negotiations have been so bad that a 72 hour notice was given a few hours ago. If we don't get a contract by Monday evening, I will be on strike. I can't afford a strike anymore than I can afford to lose my insurance or pay for a government health plan. Unless we get a contract by Monday evening, I am guaranteed to lose big. I can't afford loss of pay. I really don't care about a wage increase. It would be nice, but honestly, if we can just keep our insurance, not lose the holiday pay, and still get hours above 30; I will be thrilled. It is really sounding like a long shot though.
I heard on the news this morning that unions have reached an agreement with Safeway and other supermarket chains in the Seattle area. Is this the contract you are referring to? If so, it sounds like good news for employees, but what is your take?
This is my contract, yes. We don't have any details though. The website says we will get to read the details when we get to go and vote to accept it or not. I don't know why they can't tell us the basics of it. The union says they recommend it, but we have accepted contracts in the past that were recommended and had some bad cuts that were in the fine print. In that one, they talked about a raise (typical 25 cents an hour) but failed to mention that they cut our sunday pay from time and a half to time and a third. Well, that did more than just cut a little pay. We used to be able to work 6 days without overtime because Sunday was already time and a half. But ever since then, nobody has been allowed to work 6 days. That resulted in a cut in hours for many employers, and thus a cut in a paychecks. It also makes it harder to cover shifts when somebody is sick or on vacation. It was one of those unintended consequences that made a long time difference that people did not like.

I am going to assume that they wouldn't recommend it unless we could keep our health insurance with the normal 20 hour minimum. I suspect there must be some cuts as compromises. Perhaps a higher deductible, higher premiums, lower coverage, etc. Hopefully the changes will be small and workable. I am definitely relieved not to be on strike. We didn't find out until 5:30 pm when the deadline was 7pm. I was working at the time and did not know if I would be finishing my shift or not. The idea of picketing outside for hours on end in October and November in Seattle is NOT an appealing thought. The last strike was in 1989, and that started in May, so it was all in spring and summer. I hated it back then, but this would be far worse. Plus I have bills and health issues that I did not have back then.

They haven't posted dates yet for when we can vote on the contract. I'm hoping it might be Friday or Saturday. I really want to see what they came up with.

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

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zoocrewphoto wrote:
idamtnboy wrote:
zoocrewphoto wrote:As somebody who is on the verge of losing my insurance (after 24 years of employment with decent insurance, I don't see it as a good thing if *I* lose my insurance. If it works for lots of other people, great. But please don't insist that "everybody benefits" when some of us are losing. As far as I know, everybody means every body. My contract expired back in May. The big sticking point is that my employer wants to drop insurance coverage and cut hours to avoid the penalty. Why do they want to cut it? The 40% Cadillac tax. We were supposed to be safe until 2018, but they lost the waiver.

Negotiations have been so bad that a 72 hour notice was given a few hours ago. If we don't get a contract by Monday evening, I will be on strike. I can't afford a strike anymore than I can afford to lose my insurance or pay for a government health plan. Unless we get a contract by Monday evening, I am guaranteed to lose big. I can't afford loss of pay. I really don't care about a wage increase. It would be nice, but honestly, if we can just keep our insurance, not lose the holiday pay, and still get hours above 30; I will be thrilled. It is really sounding like a long shot though.
I heard on the news this morning that unions have reached an agreement with Safeway and other supermarket chains in the Seattle area. Is this the contract you are referring to? If so, it sounds like good news for employees, but what is your take?
This is my contract, yes. We don't have any details though. The website says we will get to read the details when we get to go and vote to accept it or not. I don't know why they can't tell us the basics of it. The union says they recommend it, but we have accepted contracts in the past that were recommended and had some bad cuts that were in the fine print. In that one, they talked about a raise (typical 25 cents an hour) but failed to mention that they cut our sunday pay from time and a half to time and a third. Well, that did more than just cut a little pay. We used to be able to work 6 days without overtime because Sunday was already time and a half. But ever since then, nobody has been allowed to work 6 days. That resulted in a cut in hours for many employers, and thus a cut in a paychecks. It also makes it harder to cover shifts when somebody is sick or on vacation. It was one of those unintended consequences that made a long time difference that people did not like.

I am going to assume that they wouldn't recommend it unless we could keep our health insurance with the normal 20 hour minimum. I suspect there must be some cuts as compromises. Perhaps a higher deductible, higher premiums, lower coverage, etc. Hopefully the changes will be small and workable. I am definitely relieved not to be on strike. We didn't find out until 5:30 pm when the deadline was 7pm. I was working at the time and did not know if I would be finishing my shift or not. The idea of picketing outside for hours on end in October and November in Seattle is NOT an appealing thought. The last strike was in 1989, and that started in May, so it was all in spring and summer. I hated it back then, but this would be far worse. Plus I have bills and health issues that I did not have back then.

They haven't posted dates yet for when we can vote on the contract. I'm hoping it might be Friday or Saturday. I really want to see what they came up with.
ZooCrew,

I hope things turn out well for you. I really appreciate the fact that you have always realized that people are hurting big time without insurance and have respected that fact even though you had legitimate concerns about your own situation. You haven't turned the issues into political footballs.

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Re: How is Obama Care going to impact CPAP?

Post by Joe Snooze » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:21 am

So who pays for healthcare if the employers don't

employers pay on average $10,000 per year as their share of every employee's healthcare
the fine under the ACA for not providing insurance is just $2,000

the law gives employers a $2,000 incentive to drop your insurance

so if employers across the country do that, who picks up the tab?

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Joe Snooze wrote:So who pays for healthcare if the employers don't

employers pay on average $10,000 per year as their share of every employee's healthcare
the fine under the ACA for not providing insurance is just $2,000

the law gives employers a $2,000 incentive to drop your insurance

so if employers across the country do that, who picks up the tab?
If this is yet another rhetorical statement, fine.

If you have not been paying attention to our national governance and supreme court for the past four years, then that's a shame.

If only more Americans got more involved in our civic life and governance, reading the actual news rather than doing other things, our citizens would be far better informed about a whole host of crucial items, this included.

Explaining a complex issue like this, on a blog filled with people with their own warped agendas, is not an ideal way to do so.

The black helicopters, tin foil hat, neo-confederate folks will I'm sure be more than willing to explain things to you. See their posts above.