Five Myths about the Canadian Health Care system from AARP

[deerhound]

Teddy was not a totalitarian like today's Progressives are.

Nate, one I truly appreciate about you is that you generally do not result to name calling and insults. My hat is off to you!

Dale

PS I believe in Progressive taxation. Progressives should be taxed at a 95% rate.

[OhHelpMe]

A short history lesson for those who think we just recently invented the term "Progressive" in a failed effort to fool you sharp-eyed Tea party folks!

No one thinks that "Progressive" is a newly minted term

But "liberal" was abandoned after decades of failed policies and "Progressive" has been adopted to cover up history.

I am glad "liberal" has been abandoned by the "Progressives". Once the stench of failed policies and intellectual dishonesty left on the word is gone, us true liberals may take it over again.

[ironhands]

A rich persons baby should not have access to superior medical care just because they have more money to throw at the problem.

Such ridiculous and impractical statements from a utopian point of view.

Of course most "rich people" will seek superior medical care for their children. Their money allows them the access, the ability to travel to a distant city to seek out specialists and even to move to a city with better medical care.

Societies don't work well if every thing is leveled out by a central government. This has been tried with disastrous results and the disaster always falls more heavily on the poorest among us.

Your political views and the votes you cast make you an enemy of the poor not the rich.

Can I assume your name is in reference to psychiatry?

You can assume anything you care to. I will not interfere in your life. How about stop voting for politicians who enable you to interfere in mine?

There is nothing impractical, nor ridiculous about expecting equal treatment for children. Tell me exactly why the child of a rich parent deserves better care, than a poor one?

What political views? I have none, I don't vote.

[BlackSpinner]

A short history lesson for those who think we just recently invented the term "Progressive" in a failed effort to fool you sharp-eyed Tea party folks!

No one thinks that "Progressive" is a newly minted term

But "liberal" was abandoned after decades of failed policies and "Progressive" has been adopted to cover up history.

I am glad "liberal" has been abandoned by the "Progressives". Once the stench of failed policies and intellectual dishonesty left on the word is gone, us true liberals may take it over again.

Here you go
http://dizerega.com/2013/03/04/to-save- ... r-country/

You can read all about the right wing plots to destroy the country and how they play word games.
That is assuming you can read past a grade three level.

Note only in the USA would what you call "liberal" be considered "liberal" or left wing. In the rest of the world they would be considered very right wing conservatives. So you are basically saying that right wing politics are a failure.

[woodworkerjunkie]

One man's views (conspiracy theorist) might make great reading for you, but, with the crap he spews it's enough to make the average american sick. When he starts out, "

The Republican Party is now the enemy of our country’s institutions as much as the old Communist Party ever was, and it is as devoted to acquiring total power.

" That's about all that needs to said to realize what your dealing with!

During my youthful sojourn on the radical right I had read and heard many discussions of how the Communists were infiltrating and taking over America. They were accomplishing this through a step by step plan involving numerous front organizations pretending to be other than what they really were. These fronts included people in media, education, law and politics all pursuing hidden agendas, and taking advantage of the blindness of liberals who could not see what was happening around them.

Looks to me as though he is taking history and rewriting it in complete opposites! People have known for years that the major networks and our schools were very left-leaning, so now he tries to say they were right-leaning! Who decided that we needed to take prayer out of schools? Dems! Who has consistently tried to degrade and destroy the moral values of our country? Dems!

The Republicans are

1. Seeking to destroy the electoral college in order to make it a consistent tool for electing Republican presidents even when rejected by a substantial majority of the American people. While certainly flawed, the Electoral College is usually supportive of the American peoples’ choices. When it fails to live up to this standard it has done so in ways that favor neither party in particular. In a sense we can call the electoral college “fairly flawed.” It does not truly privilege one party over the other.

This is so pathetic it's laughable! During the Bush-Gore election with the "hanging chads", is when the talk of doing away with the electoral college burst into view, and it was the Dems yelling and screaming it needed to be done away with!

Hillary Clinton received a lot of criticism during the effort to impeach her husband when she said she felt he was the victim of a “right wing plot.” If I am at all on target here she was right.

This is too funny!!!! Good 'ole Bill gets (use the libs term here) teabagged by Monica, and it's the republicans fault! I'm sure Bill was just not strong enough to keep her from raping him! At least it was good for a laugh!
Word games like, "our democracy" instead of "our republic", who's playing the word games?

[woodworkerjunkie]

These dangerous, backbencher hillbillies; If you give in to a bully or a terrorist; disingenuous(good liberal talking point)twice in one post, impressive; teabagger; Who let these people out of daycare (babies); Repubtards....WHY DON"T YOU CALL US THE REST OF THE NAMES IN THE BOOK, why stop here? Does it make you feel like your on a thrown, and we are those irritating pieces of dirt known as peasants under your feet? I guess we are not even worthy of walking on your holy ground!

Voter fraud is a straw man anyway. The majority of voter fraud was done by the parties trying to suppress voters. There is very little real voter fraud.

Asking someone to verify who they are with a pictured ID is voter suppression?

A new report by the Pew Center on the States finds that more than 1.8 million dead people are currently registered to vote. And 24 million registrations are either invalid or inaccurate

. Without a picture ID required, no one would ever use a false name of a dead person to vote, or a sick elderly person, or show up to vote as a family member or friend that didn't vote.

SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.


Clifton Mitchell filled out voter cards using fake birthdays, Social Security numbers and baby-name books.

"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.

Today, he lives with his wife and two boys, ages 3 and 1, in a small apartment in suburban Seattle, Washington. Mitchell said he scammed the system because, "I needed money; I had to support my family and I was new to the area. It was the only job I had."

Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.

"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'em, just get 'em,' " Mitchell recalled. Watch Mitchell explain how they created voters »

They took addresses from homeless shelters, used fake birthdays and Social Security numbers and took names from baby books to create voters out of thin air.


'American Morning'

All this week, CNN's "American Morning" examines potential voting problems in key battleground states in the special series "Count the Vote."
Weekdays, 6 a.m. ET

see full schedule »

"Every day I'd go to the library and get a newspaper," Mitchell said. "I had one guy who'd go to the phone book. Everyone had different methods."

The secretary of state called it "the worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state of Washington." ACORN was fined $25,000 and ordered to improve its oversight.

The group is under investigation in 10 states for voter registration fraud, and Republican presidential candidate John McCain's campaign has accused ACORN of trying to rig the election for Democrats.

But University of Washington law professor Eric Schnapper says the idea of fake cards turning into real votes is a myth.

No, they just go through the time and effort and go to jail to make "fake" cards, just for the fun of it!

*These dangerous, backbencher hillbillies....

We all live back in the country, you see
And drink that good ole southern sweet tea
We can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
And hunt them woods all day long
Ain't too many things these ole boys cant do
We grow them vegetables and chickens too
And we say grace and we say Ma'am
if you ain't into that we don't give a damn
You can't starve us out
And you can't makes us run
We know how to use that ole shot gun
Were from Oklahoma City and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
Your name calling ain't worth a dime
And we can skin a buck any ole time
And a hillbilly will survive

* Parody of Hank Williams Jr. song - Country boy can survive. No disrespect to Hank Williams Jr. or his song intended!

[49er]

Woodworkerjunkie,

I am a stupid fool for responding to you but I can't let these distortions slide. As I previously mentioned, if the tables were reverse and the Democrats were doing what the Tea Parties were doing in forcing the government to be shut down due to not liking a piece of legislation that was legally passed, you all would be accusing them of treason. So avoiding the issue by accusing us of name calling is pretty disingenuous.

And you're not telling the whole story regarding the Acorn situation. As an aside, when you quote exerts, I would appreciate it if you would provide a link so people can see the context surrounding the quotes you are using.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/

But University of Washington law professor Eric Schnapper says the idea of fake cards turning into real votes is a myth.

"There are no known instances of fictitious people actually voting," Schnapper said. "You look at some of the names: Mickey Mouse. Dr. Seuss. Mickey Mouse only votes in Disneyland. He's not going to show up at a critical precinct in West Virginia or North Carolina."

Schnapper said that if anyone should be upset, it's ACORN.

"The victims of this are the people who paid these workers $8 an hour to go out and find legitimate voters, and ... they didn't get their $8 worth; they put down phony names," Schnapper said.

Schnapper said he's worked on Republican and Democratic campaigns and has paid people to hand out leaflets or register voters. He said some of the workers do their jobs and some don't.

ACORN said it has registered well more than 1 million voters, most of them Democrats. Though the group is under investigation in a number of swing states, such as Ohio and Nevada, amid accusations that it turned in fake voter registration cards, Schnapper said there's no evidence that any worker intended to commit voter fraud and actually take those names, produce phony identification and vote on Election Day.

A report from the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School supports his claim. Researchers reviewed voter fraud claims across the country and found that most were caused by technical glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters. One other finding: A person is more likely to be struck by lightning than to impersonate another voter at the polls.

ACORN has recently released a video on the Internet called "Fight Back: The Truth About ACORN." It uses a mix of interviews and video to fight what the group calls Republican efforts to suppress voter turnout.

CNN asked Clifton Mitchell whether he and his team, at any point, got together to try to rig the election.

"When I did it, when my team did it, it wasn't to steal any election," Mitchell said. "They're just trying to keep a job. But understand, I blame myself. I can only blame myself."

Interestingly, a GOP firm did the same thing as Acorn but got little attention from the media:

http://www.salon.com/2012/09/28/gops_acorn_moment/

Prosecutors in Florida are looking into alleged voter registration fraud conducted by employees of Strategic Allied Consulting, which the RNC and state parties hired in at least five states. The RNC has now cut ties with the firm after news broke that its employees had registered dead people and listed the addresses of a Land Rover dealership and other non-residences on registration forms. Paul Lux, the Republican supervisor of elections in Okaloosa County, Fla., who first brought the suspect registration forms to the attention of prosecutors, said as many as one in three were questionable. “It’s kind of ironic that the dead people they accused ACORN of registering are now being done by the RPOF [Republican Party of Florida],” Lux said.

And of course, you have neglected to mention voter suppression efforts by Republican governors like Rick Scott which are far worse than what Acorn or the GOP firm mentioned in the Salon article did even though I am definitely not condoning what happened.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... e-20120530

Florida Republicans have taken voter suppression to a brazen extreme. After the 2010 election, Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, instructed Secretary of State Ken Browning to compile a massive database of alleged "non-citizen" voters. Browning resigned in February rather than implement Scott’s plan, saying "we were not confident enough about the information for this secretary to hang his hat on it."

But in early May his successor, Kurt Detzner, a former beer-industry lobbyist, announced a list of 182,000 suspected non-citizens to be removed from the voting rolls, along with 50,000 apparently dead voters. (Seven thousand alleged felons had already been scrubbed from the rolls in the first four months of 2012). On May 8, the state mailed out a first batch of 2,600 letters to Florida residents informing them, "you are not a United States citizen; however you are registered to vote." If the recipients do not reply within thirty days and affirm their U.S. citizenship, they will be dropped from the voter rolls.

The first batch of names was riddled with inaccuracies. For example, as the progressive blog Think Progress noted, "an excess of 20 percent of the voters flagged as 'non-citizens' in Miami-Dade are, in fact, citizens. And the actual number may be much higher." If this ratio holds for the rest of the names on the non-citizens list, more than 35,000 eligible voters could be disenfranchised. Those alleged non-citizens have already included a 91-year-old World War II veteran who’s voted since he was 18 and a 60-year-old kennel owner who has voted in the state for four decades. It’s impossible to quantify how many eligible voters will be scrubbed from the rolls if they’ve moved, aren’t home, don’t have ready access to citizenship documents, or won’t bother to reply to the menacing letter.

49er

These dangerous, backbencher hillbillies; If you give in to a bully or a terrorist; disingenuous(good liberal talking point)twice in one post, impressive; teabagger; Who let these people out of daycare (babies); Repubtards....WHY DON"T YOU CALL US THE REST OF THE NAMES IN THE BOOK, why stop here? Does it make you feel like your on a thrown, and we are those irritating pieces of dirt known as peasants under your feet? I guess we are not even worthy of walking on your holy ground!

Voter fraud is a straw man anyway. The majority of voter fraud was done by the parties trying to suppress voters. There is very little real voter fraud.

Asking someone to verify who they are with a pictured ID is voter suppression?

A new report by the Pew Center on the States finds that more than 1.8 million dead people are currently registered to vote. And 24 million registrations are either invalid or inaccurate

. Without a picture ID required, no one would ever use a false name of a dead person to vote, or a sick elderly person, or show up to vote as a family member or friend that didn't vote.

SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.


Clifton Mitchell filled out voter cards using fake birthdays, Social Security numbers and baby-name books.

"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.

Today, he lives with his wife and two boys, ages 3 and 1, in a small apartment in suburban Seattle, Washington. Mitchell said he scammed the system because, "I needed money; I had to support my family and I was new to the area. It was the only job I had."

Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.

"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'em, just get 'em,' " Mitchell recalled. Watch Mitchell explain how they created voters »

They took addresses from homeless shelters, used fake birthdays and Social Security numbers and took names from baby books to create voters out of thin air.


'American Morning'

All this week, CNN's "American Morning" examines potential voting problems in key battleground states in the special series "Count the Vote."
Weekdays, 6 a.m. ET

see full schedule »

"Every day I'd go to the library and get a newspaper," Mitchell said. "I had one guy who'd go to the phone book. Everyone had different methods."

The secretary of state called it "the worst case of voter registration fraud in the history of the state of Washington." ACORN was fined $25,000 and ordered to improve its oversight.

The group is under investigation in 10 states for voter registration fraud, and Republican presidential candidate John McCain's campaign has accused ACORN of trying to rig the election for Democrats.

But University of Washington law professor Eric Schnapper says the idea of fake cards turning into real votes is a myth.

No, they just go through the time and effort and go to jail to make "fake" cards, just for the fun of it!

*These dangerous, backbencher hillbillies....

We all live back in the country, you see
And drink that good ole southern sweet tea
We can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
And hunt them woods all day long
Ain't too many things these ole boys cant do
We grow them vegetables and chickens too
And we say grace and we say Ma'am
if you ain't into that we don't give a damn
You can't starve us out
And you can't makes us run
We know how to use that ole shot gun
Were from Oklahoma City and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
Your name calling ain't worth a dime
And we can skin a buck any ole time
And a hillbilly will survive

* Parody of Hank Williams Jr. song - Country boy can survive. No disrespect to Hank Williams Jr. or his song intended!

[woodworkerjunkie]

Oh I'll respond to you 49er, when I have the time. I have to work for a living and don't have but maybe 3 hours a day at best during the work week, that includes meal time and shower also. But, your not going to like what I have to say. And, I hope I don't bore you and your friends with my long drawn out post!

[49er]

Oh I'll respond to you 49er, when I have the time. I have to work for a living and don't have but maybe 3 hours a day at best during the work week, that includes meal time and shower also. But, your not going to like what I have to say. And, I hope I don't bore you and your friends with my long drawn out post!

Oh, I didn't expect I would like what you have to say. LOL!

Nah, your posts don't bore me as I have trouble concentrating on long ones in general. Even ones with flaming socialistic rhetoric.

49er