transport-sleep-apnea-scam

[mollete]

People need real information to make good decisions.

OK, I got this one!

From the Journal of Somnological Therapies, Vol. 34, Issue 7, pp.731-745:

That Todzo is an asshole!!

Oh, sorry!

I almost forgot!

Have a Great Day!

[Todzo]

CPAP does not work for most people.

We do not have a good answer for sleep apnea at this time.

[mollete]

How's the blood pressure this morning there, Skidmark?

[Todzo]

There are those here who claim to be medical professionals but do not act professionally.

Perhaps we need to demand that those who claim to be medical professionals identify themselves completely!

[mollete]

Perhaps we...

There is no "we" asshole. Just you.

[DreamStalker]

Todzo does not have a good answer for anything.

[NateS]

Any doctor who does not tell the person the real success rates of a therapy is committing malpractice.

You are beating a dead horse.

The real success rate of any therapy is based upon those who achieve improvement out of those who comply with the therapy.

People who are provided with a therapy and refuse to comply with it don't count in calculating success rates!

If I am prescribed Tylenol for my headaches and I choose to leave the bottle unopened on my shelf and still have headaches, my idiocy and stubbornness does not affect the success rate for Tylenol in relieving headaches!

If only they hadn't omitted this booklet from poor Trudger's training kit, things would have gone so much better for him:

http://www.lpaonline.org/assets/documen ... erless.pdf

Regards, Nate

[chunkyfrog]

At least with all the name-calling going on, no one will mistake this thread for a serious discussion.

[BlackSpinner]

CPAP does not work for most people.

We do not have a good answer for sleep apnea at this time.

50% not willing to preserve is NOT most people. Can't you get that simple fact through your head? 50% is HALF of those who tried. 90% = "MOST people". The actual statement is "Over half the people use a xpap machine successfully and experience a benefit"

Driving kills thousand of people - it is like saying ignore the traffic laws because some people get killed driving anyway.

[49er]

CPAP does not work for most people.

We do not have a good answer for sleep apnea at this time.

50% not willing to preserve is NOT most people. Can't you get that simple fact through your head? 50% is HALF of those who tried. 90% = "MOST people". The actual statement is "Over half the people use a xpap machine successfully and experience a benefit"

Driving kills thousand of people - it is like saying ignore the traffic laws because some people get killed driving anyway.

Agree with the basic criticisms of Todzos arguments but actually, it is unfair to say that most people are unwilling to perserve without knowing why they quit therapy. Also, Dr. Park has pointed out on this website that many people in spite of having data that all of us would kill for feel worse on cpap vs. not being on it.

49er

[49er]

Actually Nate, on the antidepressant withdrawal boards, many people feel that drop out rates should be considered in figuring out out the success rate of psych meds since many people drop out due to horrific side effects.

Regarding cpap drop out rates, the person who refuses to try pap therapy at all is different from the person who tries for at least a few months and find that no matter what they do, they can't get the therapy to work. As one who may become a drop out statistic in spite of my best efforts, please do not assume that everyone who failed pap treatment did so because they were unwilling to try.

49er

Any doctor who does not tell the person the real success rates of a therapy is committing malpractice.

You are beating a dead horse.

The real success rate of any therapy is based upon those who achieve improvement out of those who comply with the therapy.

People who are provided with a therapy and refuse to comply with it don't count in calculating success rates!

If I am prescribed Tylenol for my headaches and I choose to leave the bottle unopened on my shelf and still have headaches, my idiocy and stubbornness does not affect the success rate for Tylenol in relieving headaches!

If only they hadn't omitted this booklet from poor Trudger's training kit, things would have gone so much better for him:

http://www.lpaonline.org/assets/documen ... erless.pdf

Regards, Nate

[ems]

Also, Dr. Park has pointed out on this website that many people in spite of having data that all of us would kill for feel worse on cpap vs. not being on it.

49er

That would be me. According to the knowledgeable people on this forum my data is great! I don't feel worse, but certainly don't feel even a little better.

[NateS]

Actually Nate, on the antidepressant withdrawal boards, many people feel that drop out rates should be considered in figuring out out the success rate of psych meds since many people drop out due to horrific side effects.

Regarding cpap drop out rates, the person who refuses to try pap therapy at all is different from the person who tries for at least a few months and find that no matter what they do, they can't get the therapy to work. As one who may become a drop out statistic in spite of my best efforts, please do not assume that everyone who failed pap treatment did so because they were unwilling to try.

49er

49er, I agree with your point. Dropping out from a therapy after making a genuine effort at compliance must be included in calculating success rates.

But what I said was:

People who are provided with a therapy and refuse to comply with it don't count in calculating success rates!

which I said in the context of a discussion about Trudger, a truck who came here and repeatedly said, in solid caps, that he REFUSED to even go on the therapy after it was made a condition of his continued employment with his trucking company. He even admitted that he attempted to fake compliance, by only running the machine while he was awake, because he REFUSED to use it while sleeping.

I see a big difference between that -vs- someone who makes a genuine effort to use xPAP for months and gets no improvement in their condition.

For some reason Todzo has chosen to make himself a self-appointed apologist for an admittedly deceitful and stubborn person, who came here and admitted that he had no intention of ever trying to make the therapy work, neither for his own sake nor for the sake of the safety of the driving public on the highways where he will be propelling his big, heavy truck; and Todzo attempts to do it by equating people who make a genuine effort at therapy over months with people who stubbornly refuse to even try.

Regards, Nate

[Todzo]

For some reason Todzo has chosen to make himself a self-appointed apologist for an admittedly deceitful and stubborn person, who came here and admitted that he had no intention of ever trying to make the therapy work, neither for his own sake nor for the sake of the safety of the driving public on the highways where he will be propelling his big, heavy truck; and Todzo attempts to do it by equating people who make a genuine effort at therapy over months with people who stubbornly refuse to even try.

Regards, Nate

I have made it clear many times that I do not know if the person even is who they say they are - just as we do not know if you are who you say you are.

Overall this is about people whose jobs are on the line. I do believe they are highly motivated.

[NateS]

I have made it clear many times that I do not know if the person even is who they say they are…

You have said this a number of times in this thread, but I fail to follow your logic. Feel free to ignore all of the posts made here under the Trudger name and just read what he wrote on the trucker's site. What he wrote there contains all of the admissions of his bad intentions, his refusal, and his deception.

Regards, Nate