OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

[opticalpopsicle]

Gosh, maybe they should form a union....

[The Choker]

Gosh, maybe they should form a union....

Sorry, but this is propaganda by the left. They are using a snapshot of statistics and confusing the cause and effect.

There are two things going on here:

1. Walmart hires many people who are already on multiple forms of government assistance so of course you get distorted statistics. If you shop at Walmart you know that they hire the uneducated and in many cases the poorly groomed and dressed. These people tend to come from low income households. I am glad that Walmart provides employment for so many of these people. I always treat the Walmart employees with respect, chat with the register people, thank them and wish them a good day.

2. Now many of these people who work at Walmart do not want full time jobs. They have young children or other responsibilities and prefer part time jobs.

3. You also have workers on government assistance of one form or another who want to hold their annual earnings down less they disqualify themselves for this assistance.

I am very happy to say that one of the register people, a lady appearing to be in her fifties, told me a nice story while she checked me out one quiet Tuesday morning. She had worked for a small local business for years and did not have health insurance. She began to worry about this because she knew she was getting older and her health might decline.

So after many years she left that small business to work at Walmart where she would have health insurance. Less than a year later she was diagnosed with breast cancer, had surgery and chemotherapy. She was bragging that Walmart's health insurance paid all the expensive medical bills except for some small copays.

I am glad I talked to that lady. It was nice to learn that Walmart has good health insurance. Walmart's detractors have lied and lead me to believe that everyone working at Walmart was without health insurance.

[The Choker]

Today's "Wal-Mart strike" completely flopped, with many of the "protests" including no (!) Wal-Mart workers. The unions have been humiliated, and this has been Wal-Mart's biggest Black Friday so far.

Hooray!

This is the truth!

[deltadave]

So at 154 replies, I sez to myself

"Self? I'll bet by now they're talking about WalMart!"

[The Choker]

Were you not surprised, that until now, "Hitler" did not enter the discussion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWy0IhjYINQ

[deltadave]

Now I want to see if that really works.

My guess is it don't.

Oh well, gotta get back out there and work on all them tree stumps anyway.

Thanks Sandy.

You *&%#%$&!

[opticalpopsicle]

Gosh, maybe they should form a union....

Sorry, but this is propaganda by the left. They are using a snapshot of statistics and confusing the cause and effect.

There are two things going on here:

1. Walmart hires many people who are already on multiple forms of government assistance so of course you get distorted statistics. If you shop at Walmart you know that they hire the uneducated and in many cases the poorly groomed and dressed. These people tend to come from low income households. I am glad that Walmart provides employment for so many of these people. I always treat the Walmart employees with respect, chat with the register people, thank them and wish them a good day.

2. Now many of these people who work at Walmart do not want full time jobs. They have young children or other responsibilities and prefer part time jobs.

3. You also have workers on government assistance of one form or another who want to hold their annual earnings down less they disqualify themselves for this assistance.

I am very happy to say that one of the register people, a lady appearing to be in her fifties, told me a nice story while she checked me out one quiet Tuesday morning. She had worked for a small local business for years and did not have health insurance. She began to worry about this because she knew she was getting older and her health might decline.

So after many years she left that small business to work at Walmart where she would have health insurance. Less than a year later she was diagnosed with breast cancer, had surgery and chemotherapy. She was bragging that Walmart's health insurance paid all the expensive medical bills except for some small copays.

I am glad I talked to that lady. It was nice to learn that Walmart has good health insurance. Walmart's detractors have lied and lead me to believe that everyone working at Walmart was without health insurance.

Maybe you should step out of your little social bubble once in a while. If you have ever been friends with anyone who works at Walmart like I have, you would know that these statistics are true. I will be sure to tell my good friend that you think she is uneducated and poorly dressed so we can both have a good laugh at your expense. How so very noble of you claim to chat up the "great unwashed" people who work at Walmart who are so beneath you, but I really doubt your story. I don't know anyone who goes to work at Walmart for the great bennies. In fact they specifically told my friend who works there to get on state medical and even provided her with the application. I am so glad I don't know you in real life, you make me sick.

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[CowFish]

I am glad I talked to that lady. It was nice to learn that Walmart has good health insurance. Walmart's detractors have lied and lead me to believe that everyone working at Walmart was without health insurance.

It may be even better than you thought. The majority of Walmart workers are fulltime and their health insurance premiums are only $780 per year. It is good insurance similar to many big company plans.

My friend was laid off from a manufacturing company at age 62.5 and wanted to retire. The health insurance until she turned 65 was going to be a problem. So she went to work at Walmart at the register and in the stock rooms. Instead of having to pay around $10,000 for her own health insurance she now pays $780.

She likes working at Walmart so much she may delay retirement beyond 65.

[NateS]

I am glad I talked to that lady. It was nice to learn that Walmart has good health insurance. Walmart's detractors have lied and lead me to believe that everyone working at Walmart was without health insurance.

It may be even better than you thought. The majority of Walmart workers are fulltime and their health insurance premiums are only $780 per year. It is good insurance similar to many big company plans.

My friend was laid off from a manufacturing company at age 62.5 and wanted to retire. The health insurance until she turned 65 was going to be a problem. So she went to work at Walmart at the register and in the stock rooms. Instead of having to pay around $10,000 for her own health insurance she now pays $780.

She likes working at Walmart so much she may delay retirement beyond 65.

I agree that not everything is wrong about Walmart. But whatever Walmart does for its employees cannot logically be argued as proof that the existence of unions is bad and a detriment. To the contrary, much of what Walmart does for its employees is motivated by their desire to discourage employees from unionizing.

Anyone who thinks non-union companies would be giving benefits if there were no unions in this country is living in a dream world!

Take a look back at working conditions, safety and wages and "benefits" in this country before unions were prevalent! Read your history books or at least study a few entries in wikipedia.

Nate

[SleepyToo2]

Being a union member or not doesn't determine whether you are a good person or not. Working at Walmart does not determine whether you are a good person or not. We should all treat everyone we meet with the respect with which we would like to be treated. We should remember that there are good and bad types in all walks of life. I am sure we have all heard of people with very little money who do wonderful things to help their neighbors, friends. Then there are people with tons of money who do everything they can to fleece whoever they come across. I will take the first group anytime - regardless of where they work and whether they are union members or not.

[NateS]

I agree that not everything is wrong about Walmart. But whatever Walmart does for its employees cannot logically be argued as proof that the existence of unions is bad and a detriment. To the contrary, much of what Walmart does for its employees is motivated by their desire to discourage employees from unionizing.

Anyone who thinks non-union companies would be giving benefits if there were no unions in this country is living in a dream world!

Take a look back at working conditions, safety and wages and "benefits" in this country before unions were prevalent! Read your history books or at least study a few entries in wikipedia.

Nate

You might start with this article:

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_S ... ctory_fire

and work your way forward.

The lack of an historical context to the anti-labor movement remarks made here, and the detached posture of derision, of even modest regulation of commerce and industry, is sadly revealing.

Nate

[CowFish]

The lack of an historical context to the anti-labor movement remarks made here, and the detached posture of derision, of even modest regulation of commerce and industry, is sadly revealing.

Nate

You are acting arrogantly.

[Space Oddity]

NateS wrote:

Anyone who thinks non-union companies would be giving benefits if there were no unions in this country is living in a dream world!

Nate

You are so badly wrong that correction is likely impossible.

Do you seriously think my fat six-figure income, swell benefits package and high level of perks is because I belong to a union? Or because my employer fears the threat of unionization?

You like to propose articles to read. I don't think an article will do it for you. Maybe a prolonged study of the history of economies before capitalism and after capitalism. A nice addition to this study would be a prolonged study of the development of societies and the effect, or lack of effect, of Christianity on these societies.

Have some nice days.

[BlackSpinner]

The lack of an historical context to the anti-labor movement remarks made here, and the detached posture of derision, of even modest regulation of commerce and industry, is sadly revealing.

Nate

You are acting arrogantly.

Well look at this then. Nothing historical about 112 dead people.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... -fire.html

Do you seriously think my fat six-figure income, swell benefits package and high level of perks is because I belong to a union? Or because my employer fears the threat of unionization?

I don't think an article will do it for you. Maybe a prolonged study of the history of economies before capitalism and after capitalism. A nice addition to this study would be a prolonged study of the development of societies and the effect, or lack of effect, of Christianity on these societies.

Yes, fear. Because all those before have created a path for you to be able to demand this. You didn't do it yourself.

Yes a good effect was to kick out the so called Christian overlords. Christianity thrives on oppression - suffer in in factory now and get your rewards in Heaven when you die due to the working conditions. Christianity = opium for the oppressed masses.