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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by LSAT » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:29 pm

Goofproof wrote:
LSAT wrote:
Lizistired wrote:YAY!!
BYE BYE Twinkies!



And bye bye 18,000 jobs


You wanted change! What you got was more reality. Poor management, leads to loss of jobs, their only concern was for their exit package, not running the company. Mom and Pop businesses work better than corporations, because they are working to make something to be proud of for the future. Jim


You are right Jim...so why raise their taxes which could jeopardize their business? Besides..they didn't build that business themselves...the government helped...

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by jencat824 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:42 pm

Wow, this is an unusual thread. I will say for my part that my hubby talked to a Hostess driver Wed & he said the Bakers & Confectioners Union (backed by Teamsters) was to vote Thur & if they did not accept the 2% decrease in contribution to their retirement fund (also Pension by Teamsters) they would close the business. Drivers were told to report to work Friday to deliver what was left & if any product remained they could work Saturday (as you know, no product left by Friday noon). This is sad, but I do believe the CEO took a humongous raise before contract negotiaions, so this could have been avoided. If management had actually ponied up and worked with the union & not taken such awful raises, perhaps they could have all come up with something everyone could have lived with. As it is, 18,500 people are living without a job. Drivers were not involved in this negotiation, they did not even support the Bakers by striking with them. But they are out of work with them, just the same. I think both mgmt & union workers were selfish & killed the company together. The ones most hurt are the workers who had no vote, who were not management, who just went to work, did their jobs & found out that Friday was it. I'll pray for them.
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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by The Choker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:02 pm

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by The Choker » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:03 pm

Now, I've done quite a bit of research on how Hostess has run the past few years so hopefully I can clear up a bit. In 2004 Hostess, then Interstate Bakeries, filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy due to non union issues. "The company has been hit by both accounting problems and a drop in sales it attributed to the popularity of low-carb diets." After making it through the bankruptcy, the company is renamed Hostess. However even after exiting bankruptcy the company struggled with employee costs and lack of competitiveness.The Wall Street Journal reported in 2011 that "Hostess' 2011 annual losses may widen to $340 million." In 2010 they shut down the Akron bakery which had been in operation since 1923, due to lack of sales. At the end
of 2011 and beginning of 2012 Hostess boosted executive pay and such in attempts to keep the executives on a dying ship and reinvigorate the company. In January of this year Hostess filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. The second motion they made in January was to file a 1113 motion which allows them to set aside their labor contracts. In March the CEO, Brian Driscoll, resigned after pressure over his huge pay increase. In the same month a new CEO, Greg
Rayburn, was hired. Fast forward to June 22. Judge Robert Drain dismissed Hostess' motion for a 1113. Hostess can't pay its debts and so they start bargaining with unions. In November Hostess workers went on strike, after 92% of union members rejected the most recent proposal from Hostess. In response, Hostess Brands issued the following statement: “A widespread strike will cause Hostess brands to liquidate if we are unable to produce or deliver products. If that’s the case, the company will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,300-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders. We urge our employees to remain on the job to rebuild the company…" My personal opinion is that it is a mixture of the two. Hostess is, or was, a company that suffered many financial burdens and some poor management. It also had unions who pushed and pushed and drove the final nail into the coffin. -Rhodium
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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by kempo » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:49 pm

http://www.unionfacts.com/employees/Bak ... in_Millers

Mr. Frank Hurt still has his job and at the same salary.

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by JeffL » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:00 pm

That makes sense. They have to keep on board to mange the dissolution of the company.

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by kempo » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:14 pm

JeffL wrote:That makes sense. They have to keep on board to mange the dissolution of the company.

The bakery, confectionary, tobacco workers, and grain millers Union has over 82,000 members and assets over $31,000,000.00. Mr Hurt will sleep good tonight.

http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Bakery% ... in_Millers

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:21 pm

kempo wrote:
JeffL wrote:That makes sense. They have to keep on board to mange the dissolution of the company.

The bakery, confectionary, tobacco workers, and grain millers Union has over 82,000 members and assets over $31,000,000.00. Mr Hurt will sleep good tonight.

http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Bakery% ... in_Millers
So will the hedge fund managers who destroyed the company and the execs with their golden parachutes. They got you on their side "Screw the worker, get the cash" . You realize these people are also buying up your schools, right? Schools are the next big "investment" for hedge funds now they have done their job on real estate and manufacturing.

I remember back in the 60's or 70's when Japan was doing so well and they were asked what their secret was. They said the workers were the most important asset a company had and if there was a problem you chopped from the top because it was the managers job to see that there weren't problems and that the company was successful. You don't need unions if you treat your worker right.

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by woodworkerjunkie » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:00 pm

When anyone files bankruptcy, it means they can't make enough and have enough assets to cover the debts. Since hostess is filing bankruptcy, i would take that to mean they have a lot of debt. When things get sold inside of bankruptcy, that money is used to pay back any debt that is owed. From some of the reports that I had seen, they were well over $350 million in debt, so I don't think $31 million in assets is something to get excited about. It's not going into someones pocket, it's going to pay off the debts the company owed! So grow up and give it up on how the rich are stealing the shirts, pants and underwear off all the workers! Next, you'll be trying to tell everyone that George Bush was involved in the bombing of the world trade center also! I can tell you have no idea how to run a business, or even what it takes to run a business! Your really starting to show your ignorance!

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by KSMike » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:02 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:You don't need unions if you treat your worker right.
So you're suggesting that unions will agree to dissolve if they are "treated right?"
woodworkerjunkie wrote:...so I don't think $31 million in assets is something to get excited about. It's not going into someones pocket, it's going to pay off the debts the company owed!
Now now, don't let the facts get in the way of peoples' class envy.
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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by JeffL » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:47 pm

woodworkerjunkie wrote: From some of the reports that I had seen, they were well over $350 million in debt, so I don't think $31 million in assets is something to get excited about. It's not going into someones pocket, it's going to pay off the debts the company owed!
I think you misread that. The $31 million is not the company's assets, it's the union's assets.
The bakery, confectionary, tobacco workers, and grain millers Union has over 82,000 members and assets over $31,000,000.00. Mr Hurt will sleep good tonight.

http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Bakery% ... in_Millers

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by kempo » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:51 pm

woodworkerjunkie wrote:When anyone files bankruptcy, it means they can't make enough and have enough assets to cover the debts. Since hostess is filing bankruptcy, i would take that to mean they have a lot of debt. When things get sold inside of bankruptcy, that money is used to pay back any debt that is owed. From some of the reports that I had seen, they were well over $350 million in debt, so I don't think $31 million in assets is something to get excited about. It's not going into someones pocket, it's going to pay off the debts the company owed! So grow up and give it up on how the rich are stealing the shirts, pants and underwear off all the workers! Next, you'll be trying to tell everyone that George Bush was involved in the bombing of the world trade center also! I can tell you have no idea how to run a business, or even what it takes to run a business! Your really starting to show your ignorance!

Uhh, the $31,000,000 belongs to the Union. Not Hostess. The company is broke!

Mr. Hurt is the President of the Union not Hostess.

http://www.unionfacts.com/employees/Bak ... in_Millers

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by woodworkerjunkie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:45 am

Your right! I didn't follow the links and read through your post a little to quickly. I did find a little info on what is and has been going on. I'll post a part of it below, if you want more details you can go here:http://www.privco.com/private-company/h ... brands-inc


In January 2012, Hostess filed a voluntary petition for its second Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Hostess Brands' private equity owner, Ripplewood Holdings, had negotiated contracts with the unions representing Hostess employees. These union contracts inflated Hostess' labor expenses, eventually forcing the company to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Ripplewood, which had acquired a 50% stake in Hostess following its first bankruptcy, has since increased ownership in the snacks manufacturer and injected $40 million to fund its bankruptcy proceedings. Other Hostess creditors have also helped finance the company's bankruptcy. Two hedge funds, Silver Point Capital (which owns about 30% of the debt) and Monarch Alternative Capital (which also owns about 30%) helped fund the bankruptcy proceedings. In total, to fund bankruptcy costs, creditors added $75 million in debt at a 15% interest rate on top of Hostess’ existing debt.

Exacerbating Hostess’ cost concerns were stagnant sales across its snack foods. Most Hostess products experienced little change in annual sales. Twinkie sales, excluding those at Wal-Mart and club stores, fell by nearly 2% in 2011. Sales growth became more challenging for Hostess as American consumers became more health-conscious. To respond to healthier eating trends, Hostess introduced a brand of wheat bread, Nature’s Pride. Despite double-digit growth in the brand's annual sales, the wheat bread was not as popular at food retailers as its longer-established competitors, and the growth area has not yet contributed significantly to Hostess' top line.

A large part of the bankruptcy proceedings, similar to Hostess’ Chapter 11 filing in 2004, involve negotiations with unions, primarily the Teamsters (the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union is also involved but has chosen not to oppose Hostess’ decisions). Ever since its previous reorganization, Hostess had been paying approximately $100 million annually into a pension fund that covered its employees as well as those of other companies (a multi-employer pension plan, or MEPP, that covers multiple firms in an industry). As of the bankruptcy announcement, the fund was about $2 billion underfunded. Having already lost thousands of jobs in the previous reorganization of Hostess, the Teamsters are reluctant to accept pension concessions. Furthermore, if the bankruptcy court allows Hostess to abandon its pension obligations, the Teamsters could strike, an action that Hostess employees have already ratified 9 to 1.

Both of the hedge fund debt holders (Silver Point and Monarch) are looking to concessions with the unions and possible equity stakes in the reorganized company. The market value of their total debt holdings are estimated at $50 to $100 million, down from their $125 million to $175 million purchase price. If the hedge funds choose to forgive the debt, they could be looking at sizeable equity shares of the reorganized Hostess. Ripplewood, Hostess’ existing equity owners, have little stake in the bankruptcy proceedings since their equity has become essentially worthless following the filing. Negotiations with the Teamsters are mediated by Hostess and carried out by Perella Weinberg Partners on behalf of the debt holders. If a deal is not reached to drastically decrease pension obligations or if an alternative solution is not proposed, then liquidation could result in the loss of thousands of jobs at Hostess, including 7,900 Teamster jobs. As of July 2012, a deal is far from being approved.

Hostess Brands' Bankruptcy Reorganization Plan

In October 2012, Hostess filed a bankruptcy reorganization plan. Part of the plan includes cuts to their employees’ wages, as well as their health and pension plans. Contributions to the Interstate Bakeries Corp. Defined Benefit Plan will be ceased until 2015, resulting in freezing pension plans for two years. An 8% cut on the wages of their employees and a 17% reduction in health and welfare benefits will also be implemented by the plan. In return, the company’s unionized employees will receive 25% equity ownership, as well as a $100 million interest-bearing note and two seats on the board of directors if the plan passes.

The bankruptcy reorganization plan risks initiating a complete liquidation of Hostess’s assets, which could be triggered by strike from the company’s employees. Upon liquidation, the company’s trademarks and recipes would be sold in a bankruptcy auction, most likely to its competitors.

Furthermore, the plan intends to cut at least $1.6 billion in the company’s debt; meaning creditors and investors in the company would completely lose their investment principles. This only applies to the unsecured debt the company holds; if the plan passes the company would still owe about $861.5 million in secured debt. Hostess is currently awaiting a verdict on their restructuring plan from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York.

Hostess Brands Files For Chapter 7, Intend To Close Business & Liquidate Assets

Hostess Brands filed a plan to emerge from bankruptcy in October 2012 which will involve significant cuts in employees' pay, health and pension plans, including a 17% decrease in health benefits. Subsequently, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union began a national strike on November 9, 2012 in protest of the bankruptcy plan.

Hostess Brands management issued an ultimatum on November 14, 2012 for workers to return to work or face unemployment, but the union did not respond favorably. As a result, Hostess was unable to continue business and filed for liquidation in bankruptcy court on November 16, 2012. Hostess estimates the process, which would wrap up operations at the company's plants, depots, retail outlets and corporate offices, will cost $41.3 million in the first 13 weeks and that the liquidation of its accounts receivables and inventory will generate $77 million in the first 10 weeks. The entire process should take about a year and financed by the company's $75 million bankruptcy loan.

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by zoocrewphoto » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:08 am

jnk wrote:Slinky, for your sake, as someone your size, I hope they find someone who will keep up the quality.

But, for my sake, as someone my size, I hope all the corners are cut so the stuff starts tasting awful!
Don't they already taste worse? Back when they were forced to get rid of trans fat, the cream wasn't very good anymore, and the cakes are more dry. I bought a box in ding dongs and thought I got a bad box. I bought a new box with a new date, and they were the same. Somebody told me it was because of the requirement to get rid of transfat. I haven't bought any since.

I realize that the whole point of the regulation was to get people to eat less of them, but it didn't really solve anything. It just means that people will find something else that can be just as bad.

I do think it is crazy that people are buying them up and then trying to resell them. I saw boxes of twinkies on craigslist today for $20 each.

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Re: OT: Hostess Brands Liquidating

Post by Sheriff Buford » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:40 am

And I JUST WANT A TWINKIE!!!