What is a normal amount of time to sleep?

[ChicagoGranny]

Why on earth would you have a bias against Zeo? Do you even have a Zeo? It really is a valuable tool for tracking the quality of our sleep.

I know how to practice excellent sleep hygiene and run a damn good CPAP process. If I don't sleep well it is because I failed at these two things.

What practical value would I get out of a Zeo report?

If it says I had a bad night, I already know it because of poor energy level or other symptoms the next day.

If it says I had a good night ... well I knew that when I sprang out of bed.

[Burkebang]

I know how to practice excellent sleep hygiene and run a damn good CPAP process. If I don't sleep well it is because I failed at these two things.

What practical value would I get out of a Zeo report?

If it says I had a bad night, I already know it because of poor energy level or other symptoms the next day.

If it says I had a good night ... well I knew that when I sprang out of bed.

Sounds like you're doing very well and don't need a Zeo

I on the other hand want to be able to see why if I don't feel good in the morning. I sometimes see that I got too little deep sleep and my REM was fragmentet by apneas and pressure increases that caused leaks. If I see why I didn't get good enough sleep, I can take actions to improve things. When I take such actions, Zeo combined with Sleepyhead also lets me track the results of what I do. Zeo and my pulseoximeter takes my CPAP data to a whole new level of usefulness as a diagnostic tool. This is very valuable for those of us that need it, so I simply cannot understand why you would have a bias towards my valuable tool that lets me improve my sleep.

[ChicagoGranny]

I sometimes see that I got too little deep sleep and my REM was fragmentet by apneas and pressure increases that caused leaks. If I see why I didn't get good enough sleep, I can take actions to improve things. When I take such actions, Zeo combined with Sleepyhead also lets me track the results of what I do.

Without Zeo I can look at S-head and see the apneas, pressure increases and leaks and take corrective actions and then track the results.

I simply cannot understand why you would have a bias

My bias is against Zeo but not at all against you making your own decision to use Zeo and since you spent the money and invested the time I wish you the best.

Although not straightforward all of my comments in this thread were always addressing the OP's question,

I seem to be averaging 5 -6 hours a night. Is that normal, do you find yourself sleeping more the longer you are on the Cpap therapy?

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This member was making her first post on her first day. What I learned from this forum is that new members often have not been educated on the great value of using the data on their machine's display or better yet using software to produce reports from the data on the machine's storage media. I strongly believe that in all cases of new members we should first make sure that they are using the data and have a good CPAP therapy.

If the OP is not sleeping enough hours it could well be that her CPAP therapy is not functioning well and events are shortening her total sleep time. As forum members I believe we should follow the example of some of the old timers here and make the number one priority for new members to become educated on CPAP data and use it. Chasing after other solutions before mastering this data can be a very bad wild goose chase.

[Guest]

for the last few years it has been 7 to 8 hrs.

[Burkebang]

Without Zeo I can look at S-head and see the apneas, pressure increases and leaks and take corrective actions and then track the results.

My bias is against Zeo but not at all against you making your own decision to use Zeo and since you spent the money and invested the time I wish you the best.

Although not straightforward all of my comments in this thread were always addressing the OP's question.

With your CPAP data you can see and track physical breathing problems. That is of cause a very important thing to do for someone with sleep apnea. But pfysical breathing problems is far from the only problem we can have with our sleep. The Zeo also lets you track your sleep phases and the oximeter tracks the result the CPAP therapy is actually having on your O2 saturation. To be able to track it all is of cause much better than to only be able to track CPAP data and that is specially true for those that don't notice a drastic improvement when starting CPAP therapy. Being able to track all this data with Sleepyhead is just fantastic for me.

I thank you for your best wishes and I hope you keep on doing so great with your own therapy

The OP asked what the normal amount of time to sleep is. My first ansver was direct and to the point. The sleep age calculator on the Zeo site ansvers JUST that

To the OP: I'm sorry I contributed to derailing your thread.

[chunkyfrog]

Sometimes the Zeo numbers may indicate that 4th cup of coffee (or 3rd beer) was a really bad idea.
It's all in context.
I generally get more sleep than the average for my age, but I still work a 40-hour week--I need it.

[JollyJelly]

An average person must sleep 8 hours a day. I normally follow this rule, if not I always feel tired or lazy on next day.

[ddk]

Without CPAP, eight hours plus 2-4 hours worth of naps throughout the day.

With CPAP, six hours. And I've never felt better.

[deltadave]

A time of sleep is totally dependent on person age. such as if a person is 22 to 25 years old then 6 hours of sleep is more than sufficient for him/her.

Do you have a reference for that?

TIA

[deltadave]

Btw. Tests show that Zeo scores sleep as well as PSG techs...

Absolutely not true. Statistical anectdotal wordplay:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=82069&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... o&start=45

[jnk]

. . . if a person is 22 to 25 years old then 6 hours of sleep is more than sufficient for him/her.

I do not think that statement of what many believe is actually supported by studies, in my personal opinion.

It could be true of an individual (almost anything can be true for one person, after all), but it is not a statement I would agree with for most people or for any significant portion of the population.

"One study showed that . . . participants who are allowed to sleep for only 6 hours per night for 12 nights responded as slowly as other participants did after one night without any sleep at all. Additional changes associated with similar total sleep loss include decreased short-term memory, poor performance on newly learned or complex tasks, and difficulty maintaining attention. . . . Individuals may develop some tolerance to feelings of sleepiness over a few days, and this may make it more likely that sleep restricted people will be unaware of their continuing deterioration in alertness and performance. This can have profound personal and public safety consequences (e.g. safe motor vehicle operation, ability to make critical work and family decisions, etc). . . . Because it becomes a chronic condition, sleep loss may be unrecognized by the sufferers who accept it as their norm. Some clues to an overly sleep restricted life include need for stimulants like coffee to wake up or get going each morning, difficulty remaining focused and productive when sitting for a while, negative mood, or poor memory. . . . Numerous experimental studies have shown associations between short sleep durations and markers for diabetes, obesity, and hypertension. The presence of these common conditions is also associated with mortality. . . . In summary, there is a clear association of short sleep times with numerous health problems and increased risk of death."--http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/ ... dults-need

[The Choker]

A time of sleep is totally dependent on person age.


such as if a person is 22 to 25 years old then 6 hours of sleep is more than sufficient for him/her.

Both statements are nonsense. (And poorly written.)

[49er]

I seem to be averaging 5 -6 hours a night. Is that normal, do you find yourself sleeping more the longer you are on the Cpap therapy?

Lileesgram,

According to Barry Krakow, too many people, including medical professionals. focus on the number of sleep as being important when it is the quality that counts. I think CG asked the relevant question, which is "How do you feel?"

In other words, if you have five hours of sleep and have more than enough to spare to get through a day, then you are sleeping enough hours whereas some folks who sleep 7 feel like cr-p due to not getting good quality sleep.

49er

[49er]

A time of sleep is totally dependent on person age.


such as if a person is 22 to 25 years old then 6 hours of sleep is more than sufficient for him/her.

Both statements are nonsense. (And poorly written.)

Choker, grammar policing has no place on this forum. Shame on you.

49er

[jnk]

I believe that Doc K's position on quantity and quality of sleep may be that BOTH count, not just one or the other.

And some might say that some who feel fine are actually seriously sleep-impaired and just don't know it; so going strictly by how one feels may not always work out the best, as I understand it, much like those who feel the quality of their sleep is fine despite their moderate-to-severe OSA diagnosis. It just hasn't caught up with them and made them crash their car yet.

That said, I wish you the bestest at attempting too police the the grammer police. I agree that it ain't polite.