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[TomBrown]

You do not have to be sick because God wants to heal you, and if you'll have faith, He will heal you!

Sounds like an incredible statement to make, but it's true. And if you'll read this article, you will be on your way to living in divine health. The key to receive your healing from God is to have FAITH! Jesus often said to those he healed, "Your faith has healed you." I remember discussing divine healing with, Ophelia, a fellow employee who was taught in her church that Jesus does not heal today, and that people who lay hands on the sick are fakes. She said to me, "The trouble with you faith healers is that you claim that people have to have faith if God is going to heal them, but Jesus healed anyone He wanted at anytime, with or without faith." I knew that she had not really read the Bible much, and was just quoting her pastor. I answered, "That's not true. Don't you know what Matthew 13:58 says, "And Jesus did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith."? Her eyes opened. "It doesn't say that, does it?" she asked. I nodded. She promised to go home and read that scripture herself.
The next day, she walked quietly to me and said, "Tom, I read that scripture you quoted, and it does say that Jesus did not heal because the people lacked faith. I've changed my mind."

I hope you are teachable like Ophelia. She learned that lack of faith can stop God's healing power. Well, if doubt could stop God's healing power, then faith releases God's healing power. So what we need is FAITH. And since faith comes from hearing God's Word (Romans 10:17) it is important that you understand what the Bible says about divine healing. If we reject His Word, then we reject His healing power. Unfortunately, there are many supposedly Bible-believing Christians that reject what God says about His healing power. They reject it basically on two grounds: Either because some people do not get healed when they pray or because of tradition. The point is, no one has ever rejected God's healing power based solely on the Word of God, the Bible. Because anyone one with an open mind and an open Bible will become a believer in God's healing power.

[TomBrown]

It is clear from the Bible that Jesus healed--and healed often. Jesus main ministry consisted of three things:

"Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people." (Matthew 4:23) Healing was not a side issue with Christ; it was one of the main issues with Him. What about today? Does Jesus still heal? Listen to Hebrews 13:8: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." Jesus still heals. He has not stopped healing.

Some people are surprised that Jesus still heals.

A few years ago I conducted a Miracle Rally at the El Paso Civic Center. During my message, I felt a tingling sensation come into my right hand. As in times past, I knew this was the power of God coming into me for someone's healing. So I asked people on my right side if they had felt any power coming into them. A young woman named Cynthia Stewart raised her hand and affirmed that she was feeling the power of God. Weeks before, Cynthia had been in a car accident and was injured so badly that she could not walk without crutches, and even with the crutches it was difficult. When I saw her raise her hand the terrible thought came to me, "Oh, no! What if she does not get healed?" Then a wonderful thought came to me, "Jesus can do anything--even make this cripple girl to walk!" So I boldly called her to come forward. And to everyone's amazement and joy, she arose completely healed. She began to walk in full view of all the people. She walked without a limp. Our church was so excited with this miracle that we featured it on television. And when we did, I received a threat from an anonymous caller: "I am a lawyer representing a church, and I wanted to let you know that we are going to expose you as a fraud!"

I asked who he was and which church he was representing. He refused to tell me. So I said, "Sir, I am not the healer, Jesus is. So I guess you do not believe in Jesus or the Bible."

He said, "I sure do."

"Then why are you so upset when Jesus does such a great miracle? The Bible tells us He did many miracles. It also shows that He continued to do miracles through the apostles and through other disciples."

"Yes, I believe He did that back then. But He CAN'T do that anymore!"

I simply laughed. "Sir, if you want to try to expose me, then you are very welcomed to try. The first thing you'll need to do is meet the woman who was healed." Do you know what? That man refused to meet her or me. I think he was afraid to find out the truth--that Jesus STILL HEALS! And He he can heal you! if you'll let Him.

Someone might say, "Yea, I believe Jesus still heals, but He doesn't want to heal everyone,"

Well then listen to the Word of God. "...Many followed [Jesus], and he healed ALL their sick." (Matthew 12:15)

How many sick people did Jesus heal? ALL! Not some or most, but all! It is God's will to heal every believer. No where do we find in the scriptures that Jesus refused to heal anyone who came to Him in faith. He healed everyone who believed--without exception!

[tinbanger]

Awesome! does anyone want to by my cpap machine it appears I won't need it any longer.
I wish the doctors would have told me about this before going through all the sleep study
and stuff.

All I had to do was believe in god's healing power, imagine that, color me stupid.
Does god's healing power come with any kind of warranty, maybe a two year extension?
Just in case.

Why would god just not heal everyone and be done with it, and why stop at OSA, how
about cancer, and every other disease known to man kind.

What a load of crap.

[TomBrown]

Jesus wants to help you tinbanger. Why won't you let him? Not only did Jesus heal everyone while He was on earth, but to ensure our healing for today, He paid for it "Surely [Jesus] took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows..." (Isaiah 53:4)

There you have it: Jesus took up your infirmities, sicknesses and diseases. Since He took them, you don't have to have them. This scripture should once-and-for-all settle the issue of divine healing. But some people are simply stubborn; they want to argue with God and fight for the right to keep their sicknesses. Some people try to find reasons why this scripture does not mean what it says. People seem to fight for the right to be sick. One person told me, "This scripture is speaking about spiritual healing not physical healing."

I answered, "I don't see the word 'spiritual' in this verse. You are adding to the Bible."

"But it is understood to mean that because of the context," he continued to argue.

I suggested, "Let Matthew tell you what God meant in Isaiah." He agreed to read Matthew.

"When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to [Jesus], and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 'He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases.'" (Matthew 8:16-17)

I explained, "It is clear from Matthew that he interpreted the words from Isaiah to mean physical healing, since he quoted it in reference to the healing ministry of Christ." He paused for a moment, then conceded the point.

[tinbanger]

This is no way helps anyone who truly suffers from OSA, its a physiological thing, not a spiritual thing.
How many people have died putting their faith in "god's healing power instead of seeing a Dr."

Anyone who reads this and thinks that god can fix their problem is simply wrong. See a Dr.

As a side note, how much money does god require to be tithed in order for this "healing power"
to work properly?

[ems]

Awesome! does anyone want to by my cpap machine it appears I won't need it any longer.
I wish the doctors would have told me about this before going through all the sleep study
and stuff.

All I had to do was believe in god's healing power, imagine that, color me stupid.
Does god's healing power come with any kind of warranty, maybe a two year extension?
Just in case.

Why would god just not heal everyone and be done with it, and why stop at OSA, how
about cancer, and every other disease known to man kind.

What a load of crap.

Yep!

[Tekcor1]

This reminds me of a joke.

A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says "get in, get in!" The religous man replies, "No, I have faith in God. He will grant me a miracle."

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in God and God will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again because "God will grant me a miracle."

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down." St. Peter chuckles and responds, "I don't know what you're complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter."

[ArizonaGUy]

I was not aware this forum had become a theological discussion board.

I'm not Christian. Was not born so, nor raised so, nor have any interest in being so. I do not come here to be told to believe in any respective deity. I sincerely doubt doing so will restore my ototoxic hearing loss nor my family member's amputated limb.

I come here for advice on my CPAP use and how to maximize its abilities. Please stick to the topic at hand.

[JohnBFisher]

... What a load of crap. ...

I had been sitting hear wondering if I should just "Report SPAM" to kill this one. I wanted to respond about that way. But knew I would offend too many people, without additional explanation.

So, with a little background, let me post a rebuttal:

First, I do not know if the original poster was just a TROLL or a Christian TROLL. One is about as bad as the other. The first just tries to rile up an online community. The other spouts pompous religious beliefs in the mistaken belief they are helping others. Both do more damage and sew more discontent than they actually help.

Second, I am one of those really radical things - a Christian, who actually attempts to live his faith. I do so by trying to help others. I try to bring comfort to those who need it. I try to bring laughter to those who need that. I actually try to LIVE the Prayer of Saint Francis: "Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace".

So, my rebuttal is not as someone that does not believe, but as someone who tries to live his belief.

Third, the idea that faith cures all ills is hogwash. Nor is that a unique and recent idea. Just ask Job. Did Job deserve the ruin that beset him? NO! Nor does the child that is born with a neurological disorder that eventually kills the child. Nor does the mother of children who dies due to breast cancer. Nor does ....

You get the picture. Bad things do happen to good people. Life is not just. To think that creation can only be good and just because God should be good and just is to embrace a childish faith that does not actually look at the world as it is.

But that does not mean it must be "evil" because it is unjust. Rather, it is the cry to each one of us to help one another. It is through our efforts to help one another that we grow as people. And there are very clear scientific studies that show that our inclination to help one another helps create civilization and generally improve the human condition.

Finally, God does present us with tools and methods we can use to help one another. There is nothing wrong with embracing that experience and help that others provide via medicine. God gave us brains - we should use them. Use them to help one another. To just say "use faith to heal yourself" is an attempt to absolve each of us of our responsibility to help one another. And it does NOT wash.

So, it's time to apply a little "TROLL B GON" to this post and ignore it .... Please!!

[ArizonaGUy]

Oh good. The spammer's posts were deleted.

[cflame1]

********Applause!!!******************

[tinbanger]

Well my post looks kinda stupid now with the OP gone, perhaps a moderator could delete the topic?

[ThomasMcKean]

Y'all aren't thinking.

I was with the church for a good ten years but I left because of the rampant arrogance and hypocrisy that was there.

Still, if this guy has a testimony, I would love to hear it. For instance, was this a prayer and overnight he was healed? Did it happen over time because of some action he took on his own part, such as weight loss?

I am curious what his story is?

And I am suspicious that he hasn't told us!

[Gaga58]

*applauding John*....(for your words!!)

[Perrybucsdad]

Amen John! I wish I would have seen the OP to better understand what was said, but I doubt it would be any fuller in meaning that what you had to say John.