OT: Hotsauce: Abuse or Punishment?

[BlackSpinner]

If I can train a dog with a brain the size of a golf ball to not bite, to sit when required and not pee on the floor without once hitting the thing, there is no reason parents can't bring up a child without beating it, choking it with hot sauce, or mentally/emotional abusing it.

And yes I have a daughter who is 23 is now working, doesn't do drug and doesn't throw wild drinking parties and was never hit.

Now my mother, who's parents believed in the stupid "spare the rod .." according to my father the only thing that saved her from reform school was the outbreak of the war when suddenly her "skills" and "attitude" became those of a hero. She never hit us.

[kempo]

My parents believed in the "spare the rod spoil the child" scripture. I have 3 children and I never did physically punished any of them. Probably because of my 30 plus years in law enforcement. I worked many domestic abuse cases that were just painful to deal with. The penitentiaries are full of men and women who were physically abused as a child. It warps their mind. It scars their minds for ever. I remember one Christmas eve night I was dispatched to a house where the husband had came home drunk beat up his wife pretty bad, tore down the christmas tree, tore up all of the childrens presents, and then slapped around the children. The kids were hiding under the bed when I arrived. What was suppose to be a happy time turned into a nightmare. I had to deal with these kinds of situtations day in and day out and I promised myself I would never punish any of my kids in anger.

Yes, pouring hotsauce down a chid's mouth is domestic abuse and I would have arrested that bitch in a heart beat!

[Uncle_Bob]

In the footage I've seen he does not eat the sauce, he talks perfectly clearly with the sauce its in his mouth (maybe its a mild/medium sauce?) he does not cry and then spits it out. All very calmly.

He seems to get far more upset and actually cry at the cold shower.
So now thanks to the emotional torcher he is not going to want to take showers and will have to use the bath tub for the rest of his life now.
Better than being Anorexic i suppose ...

[Alshain]

Ok, so let's pose yet another question then. They do sell, over the counter, finger nail polish that includes hot pepper for deterring/punishing thumb suckers and nail biters. What about this? Is that abuse?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015T ... X5BFH3DWN6

[Uncle_Bob]

Ok, so let's pose yet another question then. They do sell, over the counter, finger nail polish that includes hot pepper for deterring/punishing thumb suckers and nail biters. What about this? Is that abuse?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015T ... X5BFH3DWN6

no if you read the reviews all the parents are complaining that the kids love the stuff and just lick it off their nails.

[jabman]

Now my mother, who's parents believed in the stupid "spare the rod .."

BlackSpinner I think you are wrongfully calling this scripture stupid.

I beleave in the "spare the rod spoil the child" scripture.

Here is the thing with this piece of scripiure, it is not saying to hit/spank your child. All it is saying is that it is bad not to disaplin your child, how you go about doing it is up to you. BlackSpinner did you ever disaplin your child? if so then you did not spair the rod.

Children need disapline, for one it shows and teaches love.

Now I have on ocation had to give my children a swat on the butt. If a parent is able to disapline ther child without having to do that good for them, i was not able to. every child is different and there for require different methods of disapline.

There are two extreams here, one is never disaplining your child, that is letting them do what ever they want. That child will grow up not knowing right from wrong. The other is taking the disapline too far or abusing the child. Swating a child on the butt for doing something wrong is not abuse.
contunilly hitting the child in anger is.

[CPAP Lady]

I think hot sauce, soap, and spanking are really unnecessary. I think other methods such as time outs and taking away privileges can be just as effective. I also think that just because a parent does not spank does not mean they are lax parents. I think one can set rules/expectations/limits quite effectively without resorting to inflicting physical pain IMHO. I agree that there are a lot of parents who do not parent their kids and try to be their best friends instead OTOH I think there are many who choose not to inflict physical pain and still run a tight ship so to speak .

[nanwilson]

I'm with Blackspinner............hot sauce can burn sensitive skin..just ask my daughter. She spilled some on her lip and it burned..was swollen for a couple of days. There are better ways to discipline a child without abuse.

[SleepyT]

....Yes, pouring hotsauce down a chid's mouth is domestic abuse and I would have arrested that bitch in a heart beat!

I could not agree more. I saw the video...that woman was being emotionally brutal to that child. Unnecessary.

[Vader]

I think hot sauce, soap, and spanking are really unnecessary. I think other methods such as time outs and taking away privileges can be just as effective. I also think that just because a parent does not spank does not mean they are lax parents. I think one can set rules/expectations/limits quite effectively without resorting to inflicting physical pain IMHO. I agree that there are a lot of parents who do not parent their kids and try to be their best friends instead OTOH I think there are many who choose not to inflict physical pain and still run a tight ship so to speak .

CPAP Lady who is perhaps young in years, speaketh as a wise old sage.

[moresleep]

Abuse, especially since it was filmed for Dr. Phil--why isn't he on trial?

[Gerald?]

Hot sauce should be one of the great fun rights of passage as a kid, not a punishment.

Proving to your parents/friends how it does not effect you, putting it in your mouth and saying to yourself, "this is'nt so bad", that wonderful moment as it all starts to change....

Can't wait for my kids to take up my dares to try some hot sauce!

[SleepyT]

Abuse, especially since it was filmed for Dr. Phil--why isn't he on trial?

Because he didn't make her do it. Personal responsibility. SHE ALONE made that poor decision...and she alone should be held accountable.

[jabman]

I think hot sauce, soap, and spanking are really unnecessary. I think other methods such as time outs and taking away privileges can be just as effective. I also think that just because a parent does not spank does not mean they are lax parents. I think one can set rules/expectations/limits quite effectively without resorting to inflicting physical pain IMHO. I agree that there are a lot of parents who do not parent their kids and try to be their best friends instead OTOH I think there are many who choose not to inflict physical pain and still run a tight ship so to speak .

I, for the most part, agree with you. And I only spanked my kids as a last resort, when non of the other things like taking privileges away did not work. I don't think there is anything wrong with giving your child a swat on the butt to let them know you mean business. Now I'm not talking about beating them on the but tell there black and blue but just one maybe two swats.
But if you can and have raised your kids without having to spank them then that is great, I would of preferd not to and only used as a last resort.

[Lori Dawn]

I agree with Jabman. I believe that the "spare the rod" scripture is misunderstood. When they talk about "the rod" in the scriptures, they are talking about the "shepherd's rod," right? So did the shepherds beat their sheep with the rod? No, they did not, they guided the sheep with the rod. Just my interpretation, that makes more sense when you think about what they are referring to in that age and time period. Just my two cents.

Lori "QF" Dawn