A chart showing OSA effects - Part 1

[Muffy]

After all...

3:43 AM! I hope you're...

NM. I know where you are.

Hey, o., need about a million metric tons of snow?

Muffy

[dsm]

Sheesh Muffy (or was that Brutus )

Don't you ever sleep ??? - go & sleep - lack of sleep buggars up your life you should know that better than anyone.

DSM

[ozij]

After all...

3:43 AM! I hope you're...

NM. I know where you are.

Hey, o., need about a million metric tons of snow?

Muffy

Yes, thank you, Muffy.
Especially if it comes as water.

Keep safe and warm.

O.

[rested gal]

*snap*

[-SWS]

SWS

Not to be confrontaional - I stopped replying because no matter what I said you would re-interpret it and feed it back as something I had said that to me I hadn't !!! - more it seems to suit your agenda.

My agenda is to try and understand EXACTLY what you have been saying in this thread beginning with the Dr. Ahsan correction.

As it turns out, I STILL don't have a clue if all along you have been taking about "mixed apnea" in one or both of the following contexts that I presented in very clear answer to your recent question:

1) A mixed apnea, a central apnea, and an obstructive apnea each refer to single clinical events (SDB lexicon used both before and after 2005).

2) Mixed apnea as a condition refers to a characteristic distribution of multiple clinical events (SDB lexicon especially favored prior to 2005).

I repeat the following ...

MIXED SLEEP Apnea (Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier).
"a condition marked by signs and symptoms of both central sleep apnea and obstructive sleep apnea.
It often begins as central sleep apnea and develops into the obstructive form. Mixed sleep apnea
may also result from obstructive sleep apnea as hypoxia and hypercapnia induce signs and symptoms
of the central form."

Now if this statement is incorrect we should contact the publisher & tell them to either
- remove it
- qualify it, or
- rewrite it

I am happy to follow through once we agree what it should be !

DSM

Well, by contrast I'll only say this once: If you'd like to contact Mosby to inform them that the term "mixed apnea" to describe a condition has been falling out of favor in sleep science since 2005, that's certainly your prerogative. But that good deed STILL wouldn't yield the slightest hint about whether you have been consistently conveying one or both of the above "mixed apnea" usages since the Dr. Ahsan correction.

That good Mosby deed would probably not stop you from portraying me as spinning and twisting your words when I'm STILL trying to understand EXACTLY what you have been saying all along.

*snap*

Muffy, baby!

Influenza relegated my sleep hygiene to an altogether different illness bucket...

[Muffy]

*snap*

Whoa!!

I'm a knockout!!!!

Now I can compete with RG for the title of "Forum Fox".

Muffy

[dsm]

*snap*

Noooow RestedGal - you just sent my AHI score thru the danged roof !!!

That was not fair

DSM

[tattooyu]

This thread makes my head hurt.

[torontoCPAPguy]

What are you guys doing up at 3, 4 and 5 in the morning? You should be sleeping. Unless you are in my circumstances....

I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea, etc.

On top of that I happen to be dyslexic. An agnostic. And an insomniac.

I lay awake all night wondering if there really is a Dog.
(Sic)

[-SWS]

On top of that I happen to be dyslexic. An agnostic. And an insomniac.

I lay awake all night wondering if there really is a Dog.

Meet "Nam"... who was created in Dog's image:



Mystery finally solved! Now you can get some sleep!

[rested gal]

As it turns out, I STILL don't have a clue if all along you have been taking about "mixed apnea" in one or both of the following contexts that I presented in very clear answer to your recent question:

1) A mixed apnea, a central apnea, and an obstructive apnea each refer to single clinical events (SDB lexicon used both before and after 2005).

2) Mixed apnea as a condition refers to a characteristic distribution of multiple clinical events (SDB lexicon especially favored prior to 2005).

I don't know which one dsm's been using either. He doesn't seem to want to answer the question you repeatedly asked him:

Can you help me out and assign that definition a one, two, three, four, or five----just to clear up my own confusion about your understanding of that definition?

Were you referring to "mixed apnea" as:
1) a single event that begins central or obstructive before turning opposite before that same event's completion,
2) a single event that causes a followup opposite-type event (more than one SDB event),
3) an overall condition reflected by some central events and some obstructive events---sometimes even having single mixed events thrown in,
4) some combination of the above three items,
5) none of the above, but something altogether different

I'm trying to figure out what YOU were referring to as "mixed apnea" all along, and I think you were referring to number three above---but could be wrong.

3) probably comes as close as anything to what dsm's been doing. I think he's probably been jumping from one to the other, back and forth, at random, throughout this thread. But I could be wrong, too.

[Muffy]

Meet "Nam"...

Whoa!

That just brought back some interesting memories.

Muffy

[Muffy]

What are you guys doing up at 3, 4 and 5 in the morning?

You've heard of Owls and Larks?

I'm the guy that wakes the larks up.

Muffy

[Muffy]

This thread makes my head hurt.

You need to adjust your forum settings:



Muffy

[DSM away]

This thread makes my head hurt.

Tattooyu
whatyou are now seeing is a case of
"how do we kill this pov when we don't have the gun"

Am away on weekend trip. I will explain what has happened here when I get back.

It is an intriuging example of the tactics that can used to try to destroy someone else's proof.

DSM