Covid-19, CPAP cleaning regimen

[squid13]

I see where Canada has closed all the borders.

[chunkyfrog]

And bless your little heart, too.

[squid13]

Bless your heart is a southern thing. Your suppose to hold their hand and look at them a say Bless Your Heart.

[Okie bipap]

Anyone who has lived in the south know the term "Bless your heart". You can say anything you want to about someone as long as you add "Bless your heart" at the end of what you say. It's almost like saying, "But it's not your fault".

[TropicalDiver]

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

The best estimate of the number infected as of a week or so ago, is likely around 50,000 (based on work out of Seattle). To get to herd immunity, you would need to have several hundred million infected (the UK has toyed with this strategy -- their estimate is that they would need to have 40 million infected)

The ground glass thing is a finding consistent with certain types of pulmonary disease -- it is the outcome of something not the cause. Stating that the vape deaths (which did not appear to be the result of infection and tended to hit younger people harder) could be early COVID-19 is just plain wrong. 1) The timeline. The federal investigations kicked off around vape began in August. Coronavirus was later (December in China; Mid-January was likely patient zero in the US). 2) Patients with vape related did not present with an infection. 3) Patient profiles of those presenting with ards tended to be very different.

There is uninformed random speculation (that vape illness was really covert COVID-19 is an example). But there is also informed speculation -- and contingency planning. To dismiss the quality work done by many in the public health realm as mere speculation is to ignore the seriousness of the threat (and their qualifications/work). In France, over half of those hospitalized are under 60. In Italy, they are at the point of determining who gets access to medical care based on not only on patient need but also resources. That impacts not only those with COVID (some of whom will be denied care that could save their life) but also those with strokes, heart attacks, trauma, infections, etc.

My prediction: this is rapidly becoming a generational defining event. The economic consequences will be significant. If the exponential curve cannot be modified, the health consequences will be even more so.

Wow I wasn't pushing a conspiracy theory or anything I was just trying to point out how silly speculation is.

Is everyone going to spend the next 8 weeks or so being this intense? If so, I'll go back to lurk mode.

Maybe we should start an OT thread for silly virus
memes. We could all use a laugh and some distraction.

My post, while blunt, was not intended to be intense. And none of my comments have referenced your (or my) political perspectives and were all fact based. Most threats to public safety are, at least to some extent, speculation until they actually play out. Severe weather events -- tornado, hurricanes, flash flood warnings -- are all examples of informed speculation. We have some notice they are likely to occur and failure to take appropriate steps have consequences. In this case, unlike hurricanes, the consequences are felt by others as well as those taking things likely.

Now, being intense. Down playing the risk, IMHO, is irresponsible. And your comments have tended to do exactly that (Why test? Waste of resources. Media hype and speculation. Could be nothing. Death rate might be much lower than we thought. There already will be some type of herd immunity. It impacts only those both old and sick). The reality is that most who get the virus will be fine -- but many will not be. The goal of taking action today is to avoid becoming Italy in less than a month. Every response from me has been both polite and focused on trying to present additional information for your consideration.

When people, with the appropriate background and training, tell me they have looked at the data and are using models to project infection rates and the consequences, I critically listen to them. I listen to what actions they say will have the largest impact on infection rates. I don't dismiss their work as silly speculation.

None of this is to say that people should panic nor should they freak out. The options are not binary: a) do nothing; or b) panic. Calmly taking prudent steps to control the spread of the virus seems like the right thing to do. For yourself. For your fellow human beings.

And, yes, I am ready for some good memes.

[babydinosnoreless]

Have a good day

Oh oh, the Have a good day salutations are starting.

That was a sincere have a good day. it was not the kind that meant anything else.

[colomom]

The perceptions, and indeed the situations themselves, differ, depending on whether one lives in an as-yet-no-so-affected middle state or one lives in a large urban areas on one of the coasts. LOCAL circumstances may somewhat dictate slightly different choices. It is understandable that the governor dudes and mayor dudes want some consistency from the federal dudes, for leadership reasons, but part of the problem in a large forum is that people are posting from locations with very different circumstances.

If you live in isolation as a hermit a few hundreds miles from civilization somewhere in Montana (just to pluck a state out of the air randomly), your behavior and need for direct attention on these matters may not be as necessary yet as it is for someone living smack dab in the middle of a hot spot surrounded by high-density population. Just sayin'.

No one posting in this thread struck me as clueless or nefarious. People these days just seem to talk past one another about all the things that matter.

Being supportive and correcting with gentleness may get us all a lot further in general on this planet as this virus situation progresses. Let's individually do what we can to slow things down in our various areas until more is known about prevention and treatments. And I would appreciate it if everyone in this forum would please cover their mouths when they cough! Thank you.

I wholeheartedly agree with the tenor of your post. We all need to try harder to listen to differing opinions and to resist the urge to attack those who disagree with us. That said I am baffled that this health epidermic has somehow become political, at this crisis moment we should all be guided by science and facts, political opinions shouldn't be any part of the conversation.

Politics aside, your example of how a "Montana hermit" shouldn't worry about this is 1000% wrong. Rural hospitals in America are underfunded and declining, if your hypothetical Montana hermit gets sick he will likely have to travel hours (depending on where he is located as long as an 8 hour drive) to Denver or Salt Lake City for care. This rural Montana hermit likely has no idea of his true risk of exposure to the virus, because in all likelihood 0 confirmed cases may be from 0 tests. There is not part of the US that is disconnected from the world. Don't fool yourself into to complacency because there are no conformed cases close to me.

[colomom]

The perceptions, and indeed the situations themselves, differ, depending on whether one lives in an as-yet-no-so-affected middle state or one lives in a large urban areas on one of the coasts. LOCAL circumstances may somewhat dictate slightly different choices. It is understandable that the governor dudes and mayor dudes want some consistency from the federal dudes, for leadership reasons, but part of the problem in a large forum is that people are posting from locations with very different circumstances.

If you live in isolation as a hermit a few hundreds miles from civilization somewhere in Montana (just to pluck a state out of the air randomly), your behavior and need for direct attention on these matters may not be as necessary yet as it is for someone living smack dab in the middle of a hot spot surrounded by high-density population. Just sayin'.

No one posting in this thread struck me as clueless or nefarious. People these days just seem to talk past one another about all the things that matter.

Being supportive and correcting with gentleness may get us all a lot further in general on this planet as this virus situation progresses. Let's individually do what we can to slow things down in our various areas until more is known about prevention and treatments. And I would appreciate it if everyone in this forum would please cover their mouths when they cough! Thank you.

I wholeheartedly agree with the tenor of your post. We all need to try harder to listen to differing opinions and to resist the urge to attack those who disagree with us. That said I am baffled that this health epidermic has somehow become political, at this crisis moment we should all be guided by science and facts, political opinions shouldn't be any part of the conversation.

Politics aside, your example of how a "Montana hermit" shouldn't worry about this is 1000% wrong. Rural hospitals in America are underfunded and declining, if your hypothetical Montana hermit gets sick he will likely have to travel hours (depending on where he is located as long as an 8 hour drive) to Denver or Salt Lake City for care. This rural Montana hermit likely has no idea of his true risk of exposure to the virus, because in all likelihood 0 confirmed cases may be from 0 tests. There is no part of the US that is disconnected from the world. Don't fool yourself into to complacency because there are no conformed cases close to me.

[babydinosnoreless]

My post, while blunt, was not intended to be intense. And none of my comments have referenced your (or my) political perspectives and were all fact based. Most threats to public safety are, at least to some extent, speculation until they actually play out. Severe weather events -- tornado, hurricanes, flash flood warnings -- are all examples of informed speculation. We have some notice they are likely to occur and failure to take appropriate steps have consequences. In this case, unlike hurricanes, the consequences are felt by others as well as those taking things likely.

Now, being intense. Down playing the risk, IMHO, is irresponsible. And your comments have tended to do exactly that (Why test? Waste of resources. Media hype and speculation. Could be nothing. Death rate might be much lower than we thought. There already will be some type of herd immunity. It impacts only those both old and sick). The reality is that most who get the virus will be fine -- but many will not be. The goal of taking action today is to avoid becoming Italy in less than a month. Every response from me has been both polite and focused on trying to present additional information for your consideration.

When people, with the appropriate background and training, tell me they have looked at the data and are using models to project infection rates and the consequences, I critically listen to them. I listen to what actions they say will have the largest impact on infection rates. I don't dismiss their work as silly speculation.

None of this is to say that people should panic nor should they freak out. The options are not binary: a) do nothing; or b) panic. Calmly taking prudent steps to control the spread of the virus seems like the right thing to do. For yourself. For your fellow human beings.

And, yes, I am ready for some good memes.

I did not think either of our politics played a part, in fact until just now I have never mentioned my views on politics. I will say however that I stand by my opinion as I'm sure you stand by yours. Time will tell. It sounds like its going to be a long haul.

I will start a meme thread after I make dinner.
Since have a nice day is so controversial, I will say stay safe.

[palerider]

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So you're saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

I see nothing about "studies". I see reference to a *paper*. Something someone wrote up.

[palerider]

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So your saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

Ground glass opacity is what I'm talking about. Its a real thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-glass_opacity

And here it is again in the vaping illnesses.

https://www.radiologybusiness.com/topic ... -opacities

I'm not saying their related at all. I am saying that everyone is speculating wildly including the news media and it is easy to see how rumors and things are getting blown out context.

It's a side effect of pneumonia, which is what the vaping deaths were caused by.

And, yes, you were 'wondering', which is where wild speculation starts.

[babydinosnoreless]

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So your saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

Ground glass opacity is what I'm talking about. Its a real thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-glass_opacity

And here it is again in the vaping illnesses.

https://www.radiologybusiness.com/topic ... -opacities

I'm not saying their related at all. I am saying that everyone is speculating wildly including the news media and it is easy to see how rumors and things are getting blown out context.

It's a side effect of pneumonia, which is what the vaping deaths were caused by.

And, yes, you were 'wondering', which is where wild speculation starts.

News media doesn't need to print wild speculation.

As a private citizen wild speculation is still my right. Last I checked we were still the USA.

[babydinosnoreless]

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So you're saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

I see nothing about "studies". I see reference to a *paper*. Something someone wrote up.

Sorry I misspoke (typed?) I meant a paper.

[palerider]

So hey, let's all just go out for a drive, maybe on the highway where there aren't any stop signs or lights.

Given that the FMCSA just suspended HOS rules for the *first time in history*, I'm going to avoid highways, simply because this means there will be more overly tired truck drivers working to make more deliveries, more more miles, ... more accidents, more highway deaths.

Not saying it's not *needed*, what with stores cleaned out by mindless idiots, but there'll be a price in human lives.

[jnk...]

1000% wrong

Who exactly is an isolated hermit supposed to catch the virus from? Will it fall on him out of the sky?

Hotspots in dense populations matter. They require behaviors not yet needed everywhere on the planet.

Should the entire planet adopt the exact same rules? To quote the TV commercial unfriended friend, "That's not how it works; that not how any of this works."

Mayors have one concern. Governors have another. The federal government has another. Self-sufficient hermits living alone in isolated areas are the fellows I envy right now.

If I thought I could pull it off, there's a cabin I know of deep in WV at the head of a lonely holler that's looking real tempting to me as a place to hunker down away from humanity with some canned goods and a hunting rifle--if it weren't for the blasted fracking messing up the groundwater around there.

Oh no. I'm starting to sound like DreamStalker!