Covid-19, CPAP cleaning regimen

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 pm

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

My state is not shutting down and we have one of the oldest populations.

The Arizona Renaissance festival is open. It generally sees about 250,000 people a year. Am not sure if attendance is down but if it is the news is not covering it.

“Yesterday, Governor Doug Ducey was joined by Arizona Department of Health Services Director Dr. Cara Christ and Director of the Division of Emergency Management, Wendy Smith-Reeve who stated that, at this time, the state is not recommending that mass gatherings in Arizona be cancelled.”

There is little concern or panic here and the only thing we can't get is toilet paper and hand sanitizers. It may be that we are above the temps for this illness to thrive. Who knows. I am staying home, avoiding the gym and large crowds but I am not going to panic. More than anything I'm likely to go stir crazy.

You're from AZ and I'm from SW CO, we're practically neighbors
You may not have many "officially diagnosed" cases in AZ yet but few people have been tested. Also remeber it is Spring Break in Colorado, thousands of the people from CO who listen to partisan media and refuse to accept the true expance of COVID-19 in Colorado are headed your way to have fun in the sun of AZ!

Recent evidence is suggesting that Coronavirus may not diminish as much as was hoped with warmer temps, but who knows I have never been able to comprehend how any living organism can tolerate the dry Arizona heat

Take care of your neighbors, and ignore the partisan BS.

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 pm

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

My state is not shutting down and we have one of the oldest populations.

The Arizona Renaissance festival is open. It generally sees about 250,000 people a year. Am not sure if attendance is down but if it is the news is not covering it.

“Yesterday, Governor Doug Ducey was joined by Arizona Department of Health Services Director Dr. Cara Christ and Director of the Division of Emergency Management, Wendy Smith-Reeve who stated that, at this time, the state is not recommending that mass gatherings in Arizona be cancelled.”

There is little concern or panic here and the only thing we can't get is toilet paper and hand sanitizers. It may be that we are above the temps for this illness to thrive. Who knows. I am staying home, avoiding the gym and large crowds but I am not going to panic. More than anything I'm likely to go stir crazy.

To be clear, nobody here is suggesting that panic is an appropriate (or useful) reaction. While spread in Az is thought to be minimal, that is certainly not the case in many other parts of the US (and world). I agree that local conditions should always inform local responses -- but that doesn't mean because it is isn't bad locally it is over hyped.

There were some very preliminary reports that indicated the virus did not do well in the heat. Those seem to have been significantly revised -- but there is still much work to be done.

colomom wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:31 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 pm

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

There is little concern or panic here and the only thing we can't get is toilet paper and hand sanitizers. It may be that we are above the temps for this illness to thrive. Who knows. I am staying home, avoiding the gym and large crowds but I am not going to panic. More than anything I'm likely to go stir crazy.

Recent evidence is suggesting that Coronavirus may not diminish as much as was hoped with warmer temps, but who knows I have never been able to comprehend how any living organism can tolerate the dry Arizona heat

Take care of your neighbors, and ignore the partisan BS.

I grew up here and used to hate the heat till I lived in Northern NV for 15 years. I am so thankful to be home. Especially now. Many of my Nevada friends are saying they can't even get milk the stores are so decimated. One of my daughters is in Vegas, she said they are still fairly stocked but she was upset she couldn't get canned tomatoes. What a weird thing to be out of.

We have family friends in Littleton CO. They have invited us to visit. We've not made it there but hopefully someday, when things calm down.

Take care!

TropicalDiver wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:35 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 pm

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

To be clear, nobody here is suggesting that panic is an appropriate (or useful) reaction. While spread in Az is thought to be minimal, that is certainly not the case in many other parts of the US (and world). I agree that local conditions should always inform local responses -- but that doesn't mean because it is isn't bad locally it is over hyped.

There were some very preliminary reports that indicated the virus did not do well in the heat. Those seem to have been significantly revised -- but there is still much work to be done.

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

Sorry about the post last night. Just got a call that my older sister just died of cancer and I was in a pissed off mood so I have deleted the post.

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:50 pm

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

squid13 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:52 pm

I've been on this good earth 82 years and I've seen a lot in those years and one thing I've noticed is that one rule to shut everything down isn't good for the country. Just because there having problems in New York and these other hot spots is no sign that were having problems here which we aren't. Let the local governments handle what needs to be done not what needs to be done in New York. You shut everything down and you've just ruined the economy of this country cause most of them will go bankrupt and will never open back up. The biggest fear monger on TV is Dr. Fauci, he's causing more panic in people that most of the TV nuts. He can still do his job just stay off of TV cause he say's a different rant on each channel he is on.How are all these people that are out of work if the shut all the bar's and restaurants down going to live, most will probably wind up on the street's. For all the people that are going to tear me to pieces, bugger off! I've had a bad day and now I feel better.

I'd rather be out of work for a bit than dead or cause the needless death of someone else. Dr. Fauci is pretty much the only sane person on the "Coronavirus task force" and what he recommends is based on science and observation of what has happened in China, Italy and other countries with large outbreaks. Unless you want the USA to end up like what Italy is going through, I would listen very carefully and heed the recommendations.

The general economy and the market will be greater than ever once this passes. The federal reserve has pumped so much money into the system faster than during any other crisis. Everyone can get loans at dirt cheap rates right now. The amount of small business loans and refinancing is insane right now. And local governors and mayors are the ones telling businesses to close. Unless you want a bunch of people going around spreading the disease even more all at once, there isn't another viable option. If you don't "flatten the curve" you end up with a bunch of sick people all at once and the hospitals cannot handle that. They will have to choose who gets a ventilator and who gets comfort care. There aren't even enough qualified people out there to control and monitor a vent in the first place even if there were enough vents.

squid13 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:52 pm

I've been on this good earth 82 years and I've seen a lot in those years and one thing I've noticed is that one rule to shut everything down isn't good for the country. Just because there having problems in New York and these other hot spots is no sign that were having problems here which we aren't. Let the local governments handle what needs to be done not what needs to be done in New York. You shut everything down and you've just ruined the economy of this country cause most of them will go bankrupt and will never open back up. The biggest fear monger on TV is Dr. Fauci, he's causing more panic in people that most of the TV nuts. He can still do his job just stay off of TV cause he say's a different rant on each channel he is on.How are all these people that are out of work if the shut all the bar's and restaurants down going to live, most will probably wind up on the street's. For all the people that are going to tear me to pieces, bugger off! I've had a bad day and now I feel better.

Going to have to disagree completely. Considering Dr. Fauci has done research and is qualified to opine on the matter (as opposed to "experts" that have absolutely no scientific training, including our VP), I trust what Dr. Fauci and team are saying a lot more than others in this administration.

I wish I understood head-in-the-sand people who in the face of facts choose to parrot nonsense of politicians who care nothing about them but getting their votes. They will not save you, your life or anything else - such closed minds!

Dr. Fauci can save you, but unless you listen, you won't be around to hear him and the ones you're listening to won't be around to care.

What is so attractive about ignorance?

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:26 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:50 pm

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So you're saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:03 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:26 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:50 pm

I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs.

Give that the vaping deaths happened *before* the first patient this has been traced to, no.

And "ground glass in the lungs" is just more media hype.

So your saying studies coming out of china are wrong ?

https://www.newsweek.com/ct-scans-coron ... rs-1491997

Ground glass opacity is what I'm talking about. Its a real thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-glass_opacity

And here it is again in the vaping illnesses.

https://www.radiologybusiness.com/topic ... -opacities

I'm not saying their related at all. I am saying that everyone is speculating wildly including the news media and it is easy to see how rumors and things are getting blown out context.

raisedfist wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:34 pm

There aren't even enough qualified people out there to control and monitor a vent in the first place even if there were enough vents.

On top of this, health care workers are just as susceptible to catching this thing as anyone else is. Even being better prepared and practicing universal precautions, it's a given that the healthcare workforce will be strained as workers get sick and have to take off for two weeks.

Something else that is under-appreciated is that taking care of these cases is in ADDITION to the regular flow of cases that come in needing advanced care. If the hospitals get flooded with coronavirus cases needing advanced care, they are going to have a hard time keeping up with those; with patients coming in with cardiovascular events; trauma; and much more. So for those who are young and healthy and dismissive of all this? Better not get in a car wreck or fall off a balcony while drinking. There might not be a bed for you.

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:50 pm

TropicalDiver wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:35 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 pm

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

To be clear, nobody here is suggesting that panic is an appropriate (or useful) reaction. While spread in Az is thought to be minimal, that is certainly not the case in many other parts of the US (and world). I agree that local conditions should always inform local responses -- but that doesn't mean because it is isn't bad locally it is over hyped.

There were some very preliminary reports that indicated the virus did not do well in the heat. Those seem to have been significantly revised -- but there is still much work to be done.

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

Meanwhile keep a diary, to use if you survive, so you can (Trash) Trump on how he is the reason all bad things happen. Jim

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:50 pm

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

The best estimate of the number infected as of a week or so ago, is likely around 50,000 (based on work out of Seattle). To get to herd immunity, you would need to have several hundred million infected (the UK has toyed with this strategy -- their estimate is that they would need to have 40 million infected)

The ground glass thing is a finding consistent with certain types of pulmonary disease -- it is the outcome of something not the cause. Stating that the vape deaths (which did not appear to be the result of infection and tended to hit younger people harder) could be early COVID-19 is just plain wrong. 1) The timeline. The federal investigations kicked off around vape began in August. Coronavirus was later (December in China; Mid-January was likely patient zero in the US). 2) Patients with vape related did not present with an infection. 3) Patient profiles of those presenting with ards tended to be very different.

There is uninformed random speculation (that vape illness was really covert COVID-19 is an example). But there is also informed speculation -- and contingency planning. To dismiss the quality work done by many in the public health realm as mere speculation is to ignore the seriousness of the threat (and their qualifications/work). In France, over half of those hospitalized are under 60. In Italy, they are at the point of determining who gets access to medical care based on not only on patient need but also resources. That impacts not only those with COVID (some of whom will be denied care that could save their life) but also those with strokes, heart attacks, trauma, infections, etc.

My prediction: this is rapidly becoming a generational defining event. The economic consequences will be significant. If the exponential curve cannot be modified, the health consequences will be even more so.

"Sure, this car has no brakes. But until we all crash, why worry about it? I mean, we haven't crashed yet, right? So hey, let's all just go out for a drive, maybe on the highway where there aren't any stop signs or lights. And don't bother with seatbelts either; those're for wimps. After all, why should we be inconvenienced and change the daily behaviors of our lives over a few tiny malfunctioning pieces of harmless-looking metal? And what do the mechanics really know, anyway? Don't panic; just drive."