Covid-19, CPAP cleaning regimen

[jimbud]

"Sure, this car has no brakes. But until we all crash, why worry about it? I mean, we haven't crashed yet, right? So hey, let's all just go out for a drive, maybe on the highway where there aren't any stop signs or lights. And don't bother with seatbelts either; those're for wimps. After all, why should we be inconvenienced and change the daily behaviors of our lives over a few tiny malfunctioning pieces of harmless-looking metal? And what do the mechanics really know, anyway? Don't panic; just drive."

Dibs on shotgun!

JPB

[squid13]

Just been to the store and don't forget your pets, the shelves were getting bare of both dry and canned food.

[ChicagoGranny]

"Sure, this car has no brakes. But until we all crash, why worry about it? I mean, we haven't crashed yet, right? So hey, let's all just go out for a drive, maybe on the highway where there aren't any stop signs or lights. And don't bother with seatbelts either; those're for wimps. After all, why should we be inconvenienced and change the daily behaviors of our lives over a few tiny malfunctioning pieces of harmless-looking metal? And what do the mechanics really know, anyway? Don't panic; just drive."

+1

[ChicagoGranny]

Sorry about the post last night. Just got a call that my older sister just died of cancer and I was in a pissed off mood so I have deleted the post.

So sorry. My sympathies to you and the rest of the family.

[babydinosnoreless]

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

To be clear, nobody here is suggesting that panic is an appropriate (or useful) reaction. While spread in Az is thought to be minimal, that is certainly not the case in many other parts of the US (and world). I agree that local conditions should always inform local responses -- but that doesn't mean because it is isn't bad locally it is over hyped.

There were some very preliminary reports that indicated the virus did not do well in the heat. Those seem to have been significantly revised -- but there is still much work to be done.

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

Meanwhile keep a diary, to use if you survive, so you can (Trash) Trump on how he is the reason all bad things happen. Jim

Lol not me. I'm a deplorable.

Now shush you will have all the haters on me.

[babydinosnoreless]

Sorry about the post last night. Just got a call that my older sister just died of cancer and I was in a pissed off mood so I have deleted the post.

Sorry for your loss.

[ChicagoGranny]

To get to herd immunity, you would need to have several hundred million infected (the UK has toyed with this strategy -- their estimate is that they would need to have 40 million infected)

Is it known yet that a case of the virus confers immunity to recovered persons?

The blog referenced below was updated today, but there was no change to this quoted section.

Can a person who has had coronavirus get infected again?

While we don't know the answer yet, most people would likely develop at least short-term immunity to the specific coronavirus that causes COVID-19. However, you would still be susceptible to a different coronavirus infection. Or, this particular virus could mutate, just like the influenza virus does each year. Often these mutations change the virus enough to make you susceptible, because your immune system thinks it is an infection that it has never seen before.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases ... rce-center

[Goofproof]

I very rarely watch tv. I get my news from local (az central.com) and a variety of general yahoo and google searches.

To be clear, nobody here is suggesting that panic is an appropriate (or useful) reaction. While spread in Az is thought to be minimal, that is certainly not the case in many other parts of the US (and world). I agree that local conditions should always inform local responses -- but that doesn't mean because it is isn't bad locally it is over hyped.

There were some very preliminary reports that indicated the virus did not do well in the heat. Those seem to have been significantly revised -- but there is still much work to be done.

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

Meanwhile keep a diary, to use if you survive, so you can (Trash) Trump on how he is the reason all bad things happen. Jim

Lol not me. I'm a deplorable.

Now shush you will have all the haters on me.

It makes them happy, they have their Notebooks out already! Jim

It keeps them Happy, They won't have to go to the Beach for another bucket of sand to put their head in....

[Goofproof]

To get to herd immunity, you would need to have several hundred million infected (the UK has toyed with this strategy -- their estimate is that they would need to have 40 million infected)

Is it known yet that a case of the virus confers immunity to recovered persons?

The blog referenced below was updated today, but there was no change to this quoted section.

Can a person who has had coronavirus get infected again?

While we don't know the answer yet, most people would likely develop at least short-term immunity to the specific coronavirus that causes COVID-19. However, you would still be susceptible to a different coronavirus infection. Or, this particular virus could mutate, just like the influenza virus does each year. Often these mutations change the virus enough to make you susceptible, because your immune system thinks it is an infection that it has never seen before.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases ... rce-center

How many times in your life have you had the flu or a cold. While the body does get somewhat immune to diseases, we still get them, some we can fight off, but they also change.

Like building a better mouse trap and the mouse builds a smarter mouse! Jim

[ChicagoGranny]

How many times in your life have you had the flu or a cold.

I've taken the flu vaccine for decades. Assume you have also?

[babydinosnoreless]

Yes we shall definitely see. By overhyped I mean that the media is speculating endlessly without a whole lot of real or useful information to back stuff up. Yes this could be devastating but it could also not be. I've seen some media speculation that it has been here for 6 weeks or more. If that is the case our death rate is a lot lower than is being reported and if hundreds of thousands already have it, then there will already be some "herd" immunity. I wonder if some of those vaping deaths from a few months back could actually be attributed to this as a common factor seems to be the ground glass look in the lungs. Look see now I'm speculating. Its hard not to. But that's all it is, speculation. No one knows and there is no sense being freaked out or pointing fingers. Lets all just work towards fixing it. When its all over and done then we can go back to politicking.

The best estimate of the number infected as of a week or so ago, is likely around 50,000 (based on work out of Seattle). To get to herd immunity, you would need to have several hundred million infected (the UK has toyed with this strategy -- their estimate is that they would need to have 40 million infected)

The ground glass thing is a finding consistent with certain types of pulmonary disease -- it is the outcome of something not the cause. Stating that the vape deaths (which did not appear to be the result of infection and tended to hit younger people harder) could be early COVID-19 is just plain wrong. 1) The timeline. The federal investigations kicked off around vape began in August. Coronavirus was later (December in China; Mid-January was likely patient zero in the US). 2) Patients with vape related did not present with an infection. 3) Patient profiles of those presenting with ards tended to be very different.

There is uninformed random speculation (that vape illness was really covert COVID-19 is an example). But there is also informed speculation -- and contingency planning. To dismiss the quality work done by many in the public health realm as mere speculation is to ignore the seriousness of the threat (and their qualifications/work). In France, over half of those hospitalized are under 60. In Italy, they are at the point of determining who gets access to medical care based on not only on patient need but also resources. That impacts not only those with COVID (some of whom will be denied care that could save their life) but also those with strokes, heart attacks, trauma, infections, etc.

My prediction: this is rapidly becoming a generational defining event. The economic consequences will be significant. If the exponential curve cannot be modified, the health consequences will be even more so.

Wow I wasn't pushing a conspiracy theory or anything I was just trying to point out how silly speculation is.

Is everyone going to spend the next 8 weeks or so being this intense? If so, I'll go back to lurk mode.

Maybe we should start an OT thread for silly virus
memes. We could all use a laugh and some distraction.

[ChicagoGranny]

Is everyone going to spend the next 8 weeks or so being this intense?

I intend to. As I type this, YOUR President is on TV saying the actions being taken could last through "July, August or longer". He's asking people to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people.

[babydinosnoreless]

Is everyone going to spend the next 8 weeks or so being this intense?

I intend to. As I type this, YOUR President is on TV saying the actions being taken could last through "July, August or longer". He's asking people to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people.

For 15 days before we reassess.

That doesn't mean that we have to be intense in our own homes. It doesn't mean we have to stop being human. Feel free to go be intense if that makes YOU happy.

I watched my president speak and I didn't watch him on fox Now I'm going to go play with my dogs and not be intense.

Have a good day, granny.

[jnk...]

The perceptions, and indeed the situations themselves, differ, depending on whether one lives in an as-yet-no-so-affected middle state or one lives in a large urban areas on one of the coasts. LOCAL circumstances may somewhat dictate slightly different choices. It is understandable that the governor dudes and mayor dudes want some consistency from the federal dudes, for leadership reasons, but part of the problem in a large forum is that people are posting from locations with very different circumstances.

If you live in isolation as a hermit a few hundreds miles from civilization somewhere in Montana (just to pluck a state out of the air randomly), your behavior and need for direct attention on these matters may not be as necessary yet as it is for someone living smack dab in the middle of a hot spot surrounded by high-density population. Just sayin'.

No one posting in this thread struck me as clueless or nefarious. People these days just seem to talk past one another about all the things that matter.

Being supportive and correcting with gentleness may get us all a lot further in general on this planet as this virus situation progresses. Let's individually do what we can to slow things down in our various areas until more is known about prevention and treatments. And I would appreciate it if everyone in this forum would please cover their mouths when they cough! Thank you.

[Dog Slobber]

Have a good day

Oh oh, the Have a good day salutations are starting.