OT: Repeating Pattern of Bullying & Locked Threads

[zonker]

Maybe, but only if you promise not hit me with your guitar.
JPB

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[Midwest_non_sleeper]

I think maybe somebody has answered one too many domestic dispute calls.

18 years worth my friend. I'm just about burned out, my candle is dimming.

[prodigyplace]

Maybe, but only if you promise not hit me with your guitar.
JPB

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I think some of us are showing our age I remember him.

[babydinosnoreless]

Jnk said "Here's the thing, though. PR does not GET that his incredible knowledge and insight into so many matters of OSA makes his words carry more weight. He never will. He doesn't see himself that way. If a newbie comes into a thread and says that something is stupid, no one gets too hurt by that. But if PR says it, people are devastated because of the perceived power that he has."

I still don't understand this perceived power point. Why anyone would let anyone have power over your feelings? It just doesn't make sense to me. Powerful or not. I got over being devastated by others opinions of me a long time ago. If someone can't handle being disliked by someone else then how do they function out there in the real world ?

I am serious, I really don't understand. No one is perfect we are all going to be critiqued at some point in our life. Couching it in pretty words doesn't make it any less of a critique or make the person receiving it feel any less the idiot. Wrong info must be corrected. We can not change basic physics, science or the way a pap machine works to make someone feel better about themselves.

[palerider]

Jnk said "Here's the thing, though. PR does not GET that his incredible knowledge and insight into so many matters of OSA makes his words carry more weight. He never will. He doesn't see himself that way. If a newbie comes into a thread and says that something is stupid, no one gets too hurt by that. But if PR says it, people are devastated because of the perceived power that he has."

I still don't understand this perceived power point. Why anyone would let anyone have power over your feelings? It just doesn't make sense to me. Powerful or not. I got over being devastated by others opinions of me a long time ago. If someone can't handle being disliked by someone else then how do they function out there in the real world ?

I am serious, I really don't understand. No one is perfect we are all going to be critiqued at some point in our life. Couching it in pretty words doesn't make it any less of a critique or make the person receiving it feel any less the idiot. Wrong info must be corrected. We can not change basic physics, science or the way a pap machine works to make someone feel better about themselves.

THANK YOU!

I don't get it either... I'm just some nobody on the internet, why do these people force the perceived 'power' to 'hurt their feelings' onto me, when I don't want it, and never asked for it?

People on the forum with "POWER":
Johnny Goodman.
Carolyn Goodman.

People with some power:
Pugsy

People with *NO POWER*.

Everybody else, you and me included.

[zoocrewphoto]

Jnk said "Here's the thing, though. PR does not GET that his incredible knowledge and insight into so many matters of OSA makes his words carry more weight. He never will. He doesn't see himself that way. If a newbie comes into a thread and says that something is stupid, no one gets too hurt by that. But if PR says it, people are devastated because of the perceived power that he has."

I still don't understand this perceived power point. Why anyone would let anyone have power over your feelings? It just doesn't make sense to me. Powerful or not. I got over being devastated by others opinions of me a long time ago. If someone can't handle being disliked by someone else then how do they function out there in the real world ?

I am serious, I really don't understand. No one is perfect we are all going to be critiqued at some point in our life. Couching it in pretty words doesn't make it any less of a critique or make the person receiving it feel any less the idiot. Wrong info must be corrected. We can not change basic physics, science or the way a pap machine works to make someone feel better about themselves.

I suspect it is a matter of people taking internet life too seriously.

For example, in real life, I do care what my boss thinks of me, and most of my coworkers. The new one who won't last long? I don't care. But the people I interact daily with - their opinion of me and how they deal with me matters. Strangers in the store, other drivers, who cares.

Here online, I don't know any of you in real life. Sure, it is nice to be friendly, popular, etc. But it doesn't affect me long time if somebody I don't know insults me. Before we had lots of great websites, we had usenet. All text. Lots of newsgroups which were forums with posts on various topics. I used to participate in a lot of them. If things got hostile, some people would make a big deal about leaving, and then stay and answer the posts. I would just leave, no announcement. Sometimes, I just took an extended break and returned later to see if things had improved. Sometimes, right after the new college year would start, a lot of people would join with their new free internet access and things would be childish for awhile. I liked the newsgroups, especially certain ones. But you had to have a thick skin and know when to take a break.

These days, people take it way more seriously. To me, this is something to do after work or on a day off when I want to relax. If it gets bad enough that I am angry or having an issue with it, then it is time to take a break. And I have on occasion. I also travel sometimes, and I rarely check it on my laptop. Some of it is fun as we do have humor here. I also appreciate the help I have gotten here, and I am glad that I can pay it forward and help others. My mom certainly didn't get the help that I got. She actually got better treatment after 20 years of using cpap BECAUSE I got treatment and found this forum. So, I do want to help people succeed. I want to give good advice and correct bad advice. I try not to post info that I am unsure of. Sometimes I ask questions to clarify if I am not sure. I try to learn about the other machines and masks, etc even though I don't use them so that I don't accidentally give incorrect info.

In my mind, I treat this like a better version of usenet. Not a lesser version of real life.

[nanwilson]

To me this thread is all about you Knightsleeper…..nobody else. All you are doing is bragging about yourself and how great you are and then picking apart our fantastic forum because its not the way You like it. This group has weathered many like you that have caused a big smash up and then left or have been made to leave. I've been here for about 10 years but I know others have been here much longer.... we've seen it all so don't think that you are more right than they were. Quietly leave and never come back so that you can let those that pass out the help that the newbies need do what they NEED to do . You have received the help you've needed as a newby, now let Pugsy, Jnk, Palerider and others do what they do so well .

Bye now .

Nan

[grayghost4]

Nan Plus 1

[zoocrewphoto]

To me this thread is all about you Knightsleeper…..nobody else. All you are doing is bragging about yourself and how great you are and then picking apart our fantastic forum because its not the way You like it. This group has weathered many like you that have caused a big smash up and then left or have been made to leave. I've been here for about 10 years but I know others have been here much longer.... we've seen it all so don't think that you are more right than they were. Quietly leave and never come back so that you can let those that pass out the help that the newbies need do what they NEED to do . You have received the help you've needed as a newby, now let Pugsy, Jnk, Palerider and others do what they do so well .

Bye now .

Nan

Reminds me of my method at work of dealing with new people that are difficult, annoying, or just plain lousy. I know with time, it will work out.

"I've seen people come, and I see people go. I can outlast anybody." (I've been there 30 years. )

[jnk...]

I give up. I adjusted my signature line. If you can't beat em join em.

I am comfortable with my own hypocritical contradictions.

[zoocrewphoto]

Not everybody reads every post. I do not open many topics. Sometimes they don't appear to interest me, or I know that I don't know anything on that topic to be helpful.
For example, the subject line "7 years on a machine" doesn't sound like a topic about getting off the machine. To me, it sounds like somebody upset that they are still on the machine. I realize that this assumption is correct. But I do not open every post to find out whether my assumption is correct or not. We all choose which posts to open or not. We may something extra good, or somebody needing help. But there is no requirement to open every post or reply to every post.

Other times, I simply can't check for a few days and those topics go down the list, and I don't see them.

I really think your expectations of this forum will never be reality. if it bothers you that much, try a different forum. We aren't going to suddenly change because of you. I will read an post when I have time. And I will pick and choose which posts I open. I really don't care what you or others here think of me. I try to be nice because that is who I am. But I know I can be snarky on occasion. Get over it.

[bombayone]

We must have a lot of time on our hands to debate this issue at this length. Let's stop this discussion and spend the time really helping people. Help the homeless, vets, elderly, or another person in need. This forum gives us all the freedom to act foolishly. We can chose not to use that freedom and spend our time productively.

[Barbee]

Some forums, ApneaBoard.com and FreeCPAPAdvice.com, care that their members "treat everyone with respect" and enforce their Terms of Service (TOS). But this forum and by extension, "most" of you posters are unique in that you could care less about respect!!! - - - Isn't that big of you!!!

Sanctimonious
sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous
/ˌsaNG(k)təˈmōnēəs/
adjective
making a show of being morally superior to other people.

[prodigyplace]

Sanctimonious
sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous
/ˌsaNG(k)təˈmōnēəs/
adjective
making a show of being morally superior to other people.

Was this to describe the ringleader? It is appropriate, IMHO.

[jnk...]

the ringleader?

I have seen no ring here.

I have not witnessed anyone being led or being followed.

But perhaps I have been blinded to it by my own personal sanctimony.

Personally, if I see a parent's actions meet the legal definition of "abuse," I will call 911 in order to bring the eyes of the state into that location and into that home. But in this forum, we are adults (at least nominally) and the eyes of our "state" do not need to be constantly summoned to see what is in plain sight and recorded.

What I will not do is take matters into my own hands by attempting to take a child from a parent myself. That is against the law. I do not have that authority. I would be the primary law-breaker in that circumstance.

I also will not roam the streets of my town causing disruptions by taking it upon myself to give unsolicited advice to random parents about how best to treat their children when I don't like a parent's tone. I won't walk up to their children to tell the children I am on their side against their parents that I judge to be mean.

Why use the example of child/parent? Because the assumption by the complainers is that experienced posters have some kind of authority here and newbies need to be protected like children. Not my view. But it is the view of some, apparently.

Perhaps the silliest thing I could possibly do would be to walk up to adult strangers on the street and draw their attention to other strangers by saying: "Hey, see that guy over there? Ignore him because he might say something mean or inaccurate!" That very act would only draw more attention to the very person I would prefer others to ignore. And every sane person already knows that other strangers can say mean things to them and be inaccurate and much, much worse.

If two adult strangers are having a verbal disagreement in public, I generally try to apply the principle of Proverbs 26:17 [ https://biblehub.com/proverbs/26-17.htm ] . Hey, just me. (How's THAT for MY being "sanctimonious"? )

This is a community. It is in place to help. Help is an act of love. BUT, it is still a public place full of strangers. Everyone may not act as we personally might prefer in this place, but the eyes of the ones responsible to make decisions on behavior are already here, so I see no reason to distract them with our personal observations when they are already present and making their own observations at all times based on their interpretation of the law, not ours.

Try walking up to a beat cop in your town and telling him you just heard a lady say something mean to another lady and you are afraid the second lady will no longer feel welcome on that street if people talk so mean to one another on the street. See if that cop thinks you are being helpful or are just keeping him from doing his real job--especially when he was standing right there and obviously witnessed the entire conversation between the two ladies himself. "Officer, did you just hear what that lady just said? She was MEAN!" You might end up with a lovely 24-hour stay in a padded cell for observation, if you aren't careful and won't let it go.

My views are my own. I acknowledge no ringleader here. In fact I find the entire concept of a ringleader in a public forum to be laughable at best and an attempt to disrupt good work, at worst.