OT: Repeating Pattern of Bullying & Locked Threads

[Jay Aitchsee]

Media Bias Fact Check

[chunkyfrog]

People need to honestly evaluate the bias being put upon them by their news source, religion, or party.
Independent thought is essential
Sadly, it is dying out.
Bias is hardest to see from the shortest distance.

[jnk...]

. . . your posse . . .

Won't form a posse. Won't join a posse. If I find a posse forming around me, I'll sneak away quietly in the night.

Singing cowboys have to make sure their guitar don't get broke. Priorities.

People either agree with me on a point here or they don't. I'm willing to discuss it either way. HOW it gets discussed, smoothly or roughly, is not my primary concern in any "lightly" moderated forum. Whisper or yell. Pout or rail. Hurt some feelings. Get your feelings hurt. Up to you. I'll discuss OSA here either way. Or joke around when I feel like it.

[prodigyplace]

By network news I mean any news that is on the Television/ Radio. I probably should have used a better term.

Many online news sources are no better IMO.

[babydinosnoreless]

True. You have to dig to find real news. The talking heads irritate the crap out of me tho on both sides of the isle.

[jimbud]

Media Bias Fact Check

I will check this one out and fact check it for myself. Absolutely trust no one absolutely.
Thanks for the link Jay.
JPB

[ChicagoGranny]

I love arguments among grown men. Seriously, sooooo different from women. Men can say things to each other -- and it's normal. If we women said the same things --- WOW, big catfight.

[jnk...]

Well I certainly hope poor PR isn't devastated by your cruel (in my opinion, anyway) sig line, then, since frankly anyone on the planet is capable of bullying, even unintentionally.

We set goals for ourselves. Like not hurting feelings. But setting goals for others when not invited to do so can be seen as a form of condemnation/bullying in itself.

I would not choose to make Chalkie cry. But I also would not choose to try to make PR cry, either. Your choices are yours to make and yours alone. Reputations are formed one post at a time.

Far be it from me to suggest which choice you make, but one choice available to you might be to choose to treat PR the way you feel you would like to see Chalkie treated by all, in line with the old adage of people preferring to see a sermon rather than hear one. ( http://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2270 )

"He was cruel to those he judged cruel" might not be the epitaph any of us want to strive for.

[Lucyhere]

Well I certainly hope poor PR isn't devastated by your cruel sig line, then, since frankly anyone on the planet is capable of bullying, even unintentionally.

We set goals for ourselves. Like not hurting feelings. But setting goals for others when not invited to do so can be seen as a form of condemnation/bullying in itself.

I would not choose to make Chalkie cry. But I also would not choose to try to make PR cry, either. Your choices are yours to make and yours alone. Reputations are formed one post at a time.

I don't think I've ever disagreed with you on anything. But, I do on this one. Since you used the word, "cry", I will also. Over the years, PR has made more people "cry" than I can count. If you are in a sense calling KS out, you should (imho) call out PR as well. PR's sig is just as cruel as KS's. Some on PR's sig have disappeared from the forum so as not to be continuously bullied by him. This is just one of many threads over the years where someone has pointed out how PR's bulling has run them off the forum. I don't agree with hurting someone's feelings in real life or on the internet, but if you are saying KS's sig is cruel, you must also say that PR's sig is equally as cruel, and his bulling over the years has hurt many people. I understand that sticks and stones can harm, but sometimes words are even more hurtful.

I respect you more than anyone on the forum. I hope you take the above in the way it was intended, as simply my opinion.

[jimbud]

Wow! I had no idea palerider had sooo much power.
He called me out and I did not know I was supposed to hit the fetal position.
I just essentially shrugged it off and went on my merry way.
I still have respect for him and the good work he does.
As I have said before, he is a little rough around the edges for some.
For others he is a very valuable resource that no one else on here can equal.
My free speech opinion.

JPB

[jnk...]

Well I certainly hope poor PR isn't devastated by your cruel sig line, then, since frankly anyone on the planet is capable of bullying, even unintentionally.

We set goals for ourselves. Like not hurting feelings. But setting goals for others when not invited to do so can be seen as a form of condemnation/bullying in itself.

I would not choose to make Chalkie cry. But I also would not choose to try to make PR cry, either. Your choices are yours to make and yours alone. Reputations are formed one post at a time.

I don't think I've ever disagreed with you on anything. But, I do on this one. Since you used the word, "cry", I will also. Over the years, PR has made more people "cry" than I can count. If you are in a sense calling KS out, you should (imho) call out PR as well. PR's sig is just as cruel as KS's. Some on PR's sig have disappeared from the forum so as not to be continuously bullied by him. This is just one of many threads over the years where someone has pointed out how PR's bulling has run them off the forum. I don't agree with hurting someone's feelings in real life or on the internet, but if you are saying KS's sig is cruel, you must also say that PR's sig is equally as cruel, and his bulling over the years has hurt many people. I understand that sticks and stones can harm, but sometimes words are even more hurtful.

I respect you more than anyone on the forum. I hope you take the above in the way it was intended, as simply my opinion.

I hear you, Lucyhere. And I have the deepest respect for you, as well. You have every right to disagree with my approach. And what is cool about that is that I know you respect me and treat me with respect even when you disagree with one of my positions with every fiber of your being, such as in this matter. We still get along. It's respect, one of the most important aspects of love of neighbor.

And really that is the only deeper point I'm trying to make: the importance of treating everyone with respect, to the extent possible. Even when you disagree with how others go about things. My only "calling out" that I'm trying to do, is the idea, or approach, that the way to deal with behavior of which we do not approve is to draw attention to it when it is not our role to do so. Ignoring a communication style in a forum is not being complicit or approving or having community responsibility somehow. It is public. We do not each set our own individual laws then attempt to enforce them without a badge.

I find no logic in the approach of attempting to shame publicly someone who just embarrassed someone else. It just adds to the problem rather than corrects. Just me. Only my choice. I opt for PMs when I assume that might be helpful.

Here's the thing, though. PR does not GET that his incredible knowledge and insight into so many matters of OSA makes his words carry more weight. He never will. He doesn't see himself that way. If a newbie comes into a thread and says that something is stupid, no one gets too hurt by that. But if PR says it, people are devastated because of the perceived power that he has. But that perception is in OUR heads, not in his. We hold him to a higher standard in some ways because of what he knows. That is why I maintain that when someone's feelings are hurt by him, he doesn't always realize it. He is operating in a forum of information, not feelings. It's what he does. Those of us operating in a social setting of feelings more than information are flat out gonna be offended by that from time to time. I try to correct that as best I can in individual circumstances, but I do not condemn PR for his operating in his realm from his perspective any more than he condemns me for operating as I see fit here. (Pardon me, PR, for discussing you publicly like this.)

My perspective may be warped. I may be as hypocritical on this as anyone. But I have experienced something similar myself a time or two when people I respected here years ago corrected me in a way that I felt humiliated me. Looking back, I see that the humiliation I felt was more about how much I looked up to the posters than it was about what the posters had said. My skin is much thicker now.

I will make the point again that I do not endorse what anyone says or does here. Including PR. Including Pugsy. Including me. Including you. Why not? Because that simply isn't my job. My job is to try to set the example with being as helpful as I can moment to moment. I will not choose to hurt others' feelings on purpose. But I will. I do. And I will try to be respectful to all to the best of my ability. Although I will fail. Will I fail more than PR or less than PR? I have no idea. But I still respect him. And he has some respect for me, I believe. And I respect you, Lucyhere. And I certainly don't expect everyone to always get along in a place this diverse as far as expectations and motives. I only speak up when I deem it may be useful and helpful. Not to be vengeful or superior. At least, that's what I'd like to believe about myself.

My presumptuous advice? Don't let this place frustrate you. Look for the good. Try to ignore the bad. Part of doing that is not looking for ways to become a judge or an informant. There are people here with badges, and they aren't blind. Now, if you think a fellow poster would be appreciative if you were to send a PM telling him his tone may be misunderstood, do him that favor. Please, do ME that favor when I slip up, every time. But publicly "calling out" others may not really improve things that much. In fact, it may make the tone around here worse. That's why it may be best to just set as good of an example as we can instead of feeling guilty in any way about how other people speak or behave, as if we were being held responsible individually for the reputation of the entire site.

That is not disagreement with you. Just explanation. Sorry for the length. I still want MY thread to win!!!

Choosing not to join the self-appointed bully-police is NOT the same as choosing to endorse bullying. I have no jurisdiction here. Never have. Never will. I'm cool with that.

[jnk...]

Wow! I had no idea palerider had sooo much power.
He called me out and I did not know I was supposed to hit the fetal position.
I just essentially shrugged it off and went on my merry way.
I still have respect for him and the good work he does.
As I have said before, he is a little rough around the edges for some.
For others he is a very valuable resource that no one else on here can equal.
My free speech opinion.

JPB

Wow. An example of how someone can make points much better and more succinctly than I can. How embarrassing! That's it, Jimbud; would you like to take this outside to the alley?

[jimbud]

Wow! I had no idea palerider had sooo much power.
He called me out and I did not know I was supposed to hit the fetal position.
I just essentially shrugged it off and went on my merry way.
I still have respect for him and the good work he does.
As I have said before, he is a little rough around the edges for some.
For others he is a very valuable resource that no one else on here can equal.
My free speech opinion.

JPB

Wow. An example of how someone can make points much better and more succinctly than I can. How embarrassing! That's it, Jimbud; would you like to take this outside to the alley?

Maybe, but only if you promise not hit me with your guitar.
JPB

[Midwest_non_sleeper]

Wow! I had no idea palerider had sooo much power.
He called me out and I did not know I was supposed to hit the fetal position.
I just essentially shrugged it off and went on my merry way.
I still have respect for him and the good work he does.
As I have said before, he is a little rough around the edges for some.
For others he is a very valuable resource that no one else on here can equal.
My free speech opinion.

JPB

Wow. An example of how someone can make points much better and more succinctly than I can. How embarrassing! That's it, Jimbud; would you like to take this outside to the alley?

Maybe, but only if you promise not hit me with your guitar.
JPB

I can referee if you like.

By the authority vested in me by the....wait, this is a fight, not a wedding.

Edit: ...but I can also do a wedding too. Maybe at the same time? Since that's what many of them end up being anyway: alley fights.

[jnk...]

I think maybe somebody has answered one too many domestic dispute calls.