New cpap today

[TropicalDiver]

One last point: I agree that obsessing about data is not helpful. That said, if my AHIs start to creep up, I want the data to understand why and how they might be improved. If my sleep feels subjectively worse (or even not as good as I think it could be), I want to know if data can provide me with any insight into the causes and potential points of improvement.

When adjusting treatment, I want the adjustment to be something that is informed by data. More importantly, I want the data to confirm that things are objectively better.

Whether you think all adjustments should be done by providers, consumers, or a mix, can't we agree that data beyond AHI, hours, and a mask is useful?

[Dive Apnea]

Thanks Tropicaldiver for a objective response.

Palerider telling people "up yours," who have a difference of opinion, on a support forum no less, nice.

I did ask a simple question, but I learned that the world has evololved, we can now see all the data via website, entering my serial number. I no longer use dial up internet, whata time to be alive. And I can try to interpret it, (I didn't go to cpap university like palerider). I used to look at sleepyhead initially, then I came to realize what am I really looking at.

My dme says they monitor my usage, and report irregularities to my dr. (The guy who went to skool) but who knows. I use a range of 11, I hardly notice it. My ahi fwiw, is usually 0,0 to 2.5 nightly. (I vet there may be more to the story) But I feel great!

I guess I won't ask anymore questions, for fear of the cpap oligarchy.

Happy Holidays.

[DreamDiver]

I used to use Sleepyhead--until I retired. No obsession here.
Accepting the brick lets the DME rip off your insurance,
by giving you LESS than you might possibly need. --someday . . .
And what was actually PAID for.
You never know if you might need what you let them cheat you out of.
And then a better machine may be on YOUR dime.
Oh, well. Your choice . . .

I used to look at my data all the time. Now, if I have a couple nights crummy sleep, I look first at the machine to see if my leaks are bad. If that's not meaningful, then I'll check the data on SleepyHead. I might go months or a year without checking the data, but I know SleepyHead is there if I want to learn whether something has changed. I agree with chunkyfrog. If you can get the car with the jack and a spare tire included at no extra cost to your insurance, you do it.

[chunkyfrog]

My dme says . . .

Sad, to believe the words of those who should never be trusted . .

[Goofproof]

My dme says . . .

Sad, to believe the words of those who should never be trusted . .

Beware if you see their mouths moving, they are lying. Also beware, if you hear them speak, and don't see their mouths moving, they may know ventriloquism. They are still lying, even if you don't hear them.

:Subliminal" I think voices, I don't hear them! Jim

[palerider]

Thanks Tropicaldiver for a objective response.

Palerider telling people "up yours," who have a difference of opinion, on a support forum no less, nice.

You're not looking for support, you're telling everybody that as far as you're concerned, a machine that doesn't give you any useful data is fine, 99% of people don't care, there's no point in having anything other than the cheapest machine.

You're not looking for support, you don't want help.. yet.

I did ask a simple question, but I learned that the world has evololved, we can now see all the data via website,[/quote]
No, we don't. The machines don't transmit all the data, and your machine doesn't even *create* all the data. All you get is basic apneas (and maybe) hypopneas... Your machine won't even differentiate between centrals and obstructives.

(I didn't go to cpap university like palerider).

Your loss.

My dme says they monitor my usage, and report irregularities to my dr. (The guy who went to skool) but who knows.

See? you're not looking for support, you're happy to trust someone else to take care of you, instead of caring about yourself.

I use a range of 11,

That's not a "range".

If you're happy to be ignorant of what's going on with your sleep... well, that's up to you, more power to you.

Happy Holidays.

Happy Holidays to you too!

[palerider]

I agree with chunkyfrog. If you can get the car with the jack and a spare tire included at no extra cost to your insurance, you do it.

Exactly... Nobody is saying that you should be obsessing over data... (except maybe dive apnea)... but without that data, *you can't fix anything*.

If his sleep starts to get worse, his *only recourse* is to go have another sleep test.

With data, that's not necessary... changes can be made, intelligently, and improve things.

[Okie bipap]

I am very happy the sleep clinic I went to prescribed the machine they did. They prescribed an identical machine for my wife. From what I have seen, they only prescribe ResMed machines.I've never seen anyone bring in anything other than ResMed machines.

[LSAT]

You will be on the machine for the rest of your life...most people would want the best machine for their therapy. Eventually you may want to personally see how your therapy is doing. If you are on Insurance it won't cost you a penny more to get the best machine.....But....do what makes you comfortable.
I really don't know why you asked your original question????

[palerider]

You will be on the machine for the rest of your life...most people would want the best machine for their therapy. Eventually you may want to personally see how your therapy is doing. If you are on Insurance it won't cost you a penny more to get the best machine.....But....do what makes you comfortable.
I really don't know why you asked your original question????

I'm with your earlier comment, I don't even know what his first question was...

[TropicalDiver]

For Dive Apnea, and anyone else reading this thread in the future: Regardless of machine, what is posted to the consumer website is some fairly basic information. Except in a technical sense with a limited data machine, it is simply not "all of the data." (And if the machine doesn't record it, it can't be shared with provider or consumer).

If you have a full data machine, you cannot see all of the data by logging into a consumer website. Much more data is available via the medical professionals site (assuming you are a provider with the software license). Still more data is typically available via the SD card. (I know at least one poster stated that their MD uses Sleepy Head).

And, after all of this, my personal guess is that Dive Apnea actually got a full data auto machine but was uncertain.

[Dive Apnea]

Thanks Tropicaldiver for a objective response.

Palerider telling people "up yours," who have a difference of opinion, on a support forum no less, nice.

You're not looking for support, you're telling everybody that as far as you're concerned, a machine that doesn't give you any useful data is fine, 99% of people don't care, there's no point in having anything other than the cheapest machine.

You're not looking for support, you don't want help.. yet.

I did ask a simple question, but I learned that the world has evololved, we can now see all the data via website,

No, we don't. The machines don't transmit all the data, and your machine doesn't even *create* all the data. All you get is basic apneas (and maybe) hypopneas... Your machine won't even differentiate between centrals and obstructives.

(I didn't go to cpap university like palerider).

Your loss.

My dme says they monitor my usage, and report irregularities to my dr. (The guy who went to skool) but who knows.

See? you're not looking for support, you're happy to trust someone else to take care of you, instead of caring about yourself.

I use a range of 11,

That's not a "range".

If you're happy to be ignorant of what's going on with your sleep... well, that's up to you, more power to you.

Happy Holidays.

Happy Holidays to you too!
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Why are so negative and mean? You feel you need to be right? On a support forum.

[palerider]

Why are so negative and mean? You feel you need to be right? On a support forum.

Because your attitudes and proclamations hurt people who need help... on a support forum, something you're not looking for... don't detract from other people who are seeking help.

[zoocrewphoto]

Just be aware that your machine doesn't record all of the data that is useful when there are issues. The fact they are telling you thatyou can see all the data online is a lie. Since a machine with full data only sends the summary data. It only records full data to the SD card. It doesn't send it.

That said, there are times when you really do need the details. For example, an ahi of 3.4 sounds fine to the doctor, but is still bad for many of us. And if it happens to be a bunch of long events clustered together (like my mom was having), you would never know. She just knew that she wasn't feeling the improvement with her machine that I was getting with mine. I let her use my machine for half a night, and that was how we figured out what was wrong with her therapy.

You mentioned that a lot of people never look at their data. Well, a lot of people quit using the cpap too. Because they didn't feel better and didn't know their machine could be adjusted for better results.

If you are happy, great. Hopefully, it continues to go well for you. If you have trouble later on, your "data" won't be of much help.

[Dive Apnea]

Why are so negative and mean? You feel you need to be right? On a support forum.

Because your attitudes and proclamations hurt people who need help... on a support forum, something you're not looking for... don't detract from other people who are seeking help.

You do realize 99% of people just use the cpap given to them arnd are Aok, do not even know cpaptalk exists. please quit scarying people. And you please stay off my threads. Thanks.

This forum needs an ignore function. I willl gladly not post on yours.