Should Trump Jump Up?

[Lucyhere]

It seems all the offending things are now gone. Soooo, I suppose I'll be accused of making it all up.

I saw them too, late at night before they were deleted. Then, after your post, I found a few of them in the reply/history section, including PEF's. Now they are all gone. I think the Goodmans are the only ones that could have deleted them from the history section, tho not 100% sure.

[Nin6]

Okay all you Trumpers. If it's OK for Trump to use the system to his advantage and not pay federal taxes for years, why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

[Lucyhere]

Okay all you Trumpers. If it's OK for Trump to use the system to his advantage and not pay federal taxes for years, why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

Good question!

+ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on.

[ChicagoGranny]

Okay all you Trumpers. If it's OK for Trump to use the system to his advantage and not pay federal taxes for years, why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

You should be able to answer that. Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

Trump is not proposing reform of welfare.

[Lucyhere]

Okay all you Trumpers. If it's OK for Trump to use the system to his advantage and not pay federal taxes for years, why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

You should be able to answer that. Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

Trump is not proposing reform of welfare.

Well, not so far...

However, that still doesn't answer Nin6's question, nor does it answer the question of why Trump won't produce his federal income taxes.

[ChicagoGranny]

that still doesn't answer Nin6's question

why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

[flightco]

Okay all you Trumpers. If it's OK for Trump to use the system to his advantage and not pay federal taxes for years, why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

I didn't answer sooner because I am not sure if you are looking for an answer or if this is rhetorical.

If you are looking for an answer, I will tell you how I feel on both subjects.

First Trump; I am sorry but I will answer this with a question and this is assuming Trump pays no taxes. Which of you, when doing your taxes gets to a point where you say, "that is enough deductions, I want to pay more tax than I legally owe" I would guess not many. Our Congress, of which HRC was one and which the democrats totally controlled for Obamas first two years of office make the tax laws, not Trump. If they didn't like the fact that someone who makes as much money as Trump can not pay any tax they should have changed the law. Why do you suppose they did not? Could it be they were coddling their wealthy supporters? That is my only guess but I would like to hear yours. I don't fault anyone for taking all legally obtained deductions, wish I was smarter and knew how to pay less tax legally.

For those on welfare; I know there are kooky conservatives just like there are kooky liberals (this brings up an entirely different subject; that I think the vast majority of Americans are closer to the middle than to the fringes but our system makes us choose and we often are forced into a poor choice - like this election - I really can't stand the thought of voting for either of them but I see Trump as the lessor of the evils) Sorry for my tangent, back to the folks on welfare: I fault nobody that needs a hand taking a hand and I am glad we have a safety net for them. Welfare is for them and they should use it. On the other hand, do you really think nobody is gaming the system? This is where it gets hard for me to take a stand because I am not sure where the line should be drawn. Should people that have cable TV at home and a flat screen TV get food stamps or should they use local broadcast stations and use the cable money for food? There are many scenarios of things that some would consider gaming the system, some would just consider compassion. I am not going to get into arguments about this because I am somewhere in the middle and have not taken the time to take a firm stand either way because I can't change it so why fret about it. I like to watch Judge Judy, she really gets after people when they have nothing but assistance and they are talking about how they bought something, JJ has a fun way of saying, you don't make any money, how can you buy anything, you mean I and other Americans bought it for you.

[flightco]

that still doesn't answer Nin6's question

why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

LUCY, you got some splainin to do. (anyone besides me old enough to remember that phrase)

[Lucyhere]

that still doesn't answer Nin6's question

why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

LUCY, you got some splainin to do. (anyone besides me old enough to remember that phrase)

Oh yeah... I remember.

ChicagoG is a wiz with words. She's the best. One can either read what I said... or read what she wrote.

Anyhoo flightco, I'm glad to know that you are on the fence, and seriously giving this some consideration. I agree that we have the worst candidates in memory, but I think HRC is the lesser of two evils. The button, the button -- temperament.

[Nin6]

Conservatives in general (and I know I'm generalizing) feel that too many people are lazy and living off the system and deride them because they should get a job and support themselves instead of the letting the taxpayers take care of them. In my mind there's no difference from someone taking out of the system if it's legally allowed than someone not putting into the system because it's legally allowed.

Using the system both ways is OK if it's necessary. But if it's because of manipulating the system it isn't. And if one is a multi billionaire who's touting himself as being a great businessman, and isn't paying taxes, he's either manipulating the system or is a lousy businessman (conman?) who's lying about his abilities, or probably both. Either way, just because one CAN manipulate the system doesn't mean one SHOULD. Says a lot about character.

And I'm tired of hearing the Trump supporters making up excuses to defend him. It may be legally legit, but it's moral bankruptcy. A multimillionaire putting in not one penny for the military, Vets, Federal government and all it supports for 20 years? All the while criticizing it? Disgusting!

I know I"m sounding serious about this, but I just got done listening to some of his hench men trying to give it a good spin and it made me mad. By tomorrow I'll probably be able to laugh about it.

[Guest]

im not defending either candidate but will say that hrc and hubby are also lying cheats
do you think they pay their fair share?
dont you remember hrc said when they left the whitehouse they were broke or in the poorhouse?
can you imagine any 2 term president leaving broke?
now why would she lie about that?

there is something wrong with anyone who would want that job

[Goofproof]

im not defending either candidate but will say that hrc and hubby are also lying cheats
do you think they pay their fair share?
dont you remember hrc said when they left the whitehouse they were broke or in the poorhouse?
can you imagine any 2 term president leaving broke?
now why would she lie about that?

there is something wrong with anyone who would want that job

Obama won't leave broke, he can just turn all his wifes vacation frequlent flyer miles. Should be good enough for four more years, then there's the Silverware! Jim

Hillary and Bill wouldn't have left broke, if she had just charged a dollar for each lie, they would have been set for life.

[Nin6]

im not defending either candidate but will say that hrc and hubby are also lying cheats
do you think they pay their fair share?
dont you remember hrc said when they left the whitehouse they were broke or in the poorhouse?
can you imagine any 2 term president leaving broke?
now why would she lie about that?
there is something wrong with anyone who would want that job

I definitely agree with your last statement!!

The Clintons probably didn't have a lot when they left the White House. They weren't rich before and didn't make a lot there. Since then they've made a lot of $ on the speaker circuit. At least Hillary has released her tax statements and isn't trying to con the public about her financial skills. I'm beginning to think Trump is a modern day film-flam man who thinks he can fool the public into thinking he's great, with shiny baubles and fast double-talk. Does he think the public is really that gullible?

And as an aside, anyone who says that they're the ONLY one who can fix somethin is either delusional or a Con. No one person is that indispensable or powerful.

[flightco]

that still doesn't answer Nin6's question

why isn't it Okay for poor people on welfare to use the system to help themselves?

Of course it is OK for needy people to use the welfare system. That's what it is there for.

LUCY, you got some splainin to do. (anyone besides me old enough to remember that phrase)

Oh yeah... I remember.

ChicagoG is a wiz with words. She's the best. One can either read what I said... or read what she wrote.

Anyhoo flightco, I'm glad to know that you are on the fence, and seriously giving this some consideration. I agree that we have the worst candidates in memory, but I think HRC is the lesser of two evils. The button, the button -- temperament.

Just clarifying, you mean when Hillary gave the Russian Foreign Minister the Office Depot (or staples, office max, whatever) reset button.

[ChicagoGranny]

A multimillionaire putting in not one penny for the military, Vets, Federal government and all it supports for 20 years?

You've fallen for it. You cannot know how much tax Trump paid over any 20-year period. Unless, you are one of his tax lawyers and have seen his returns.

The NYT reports,

Donald J. Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, a tax deduction so substantial it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years

That $916 million tax loss carried forward could have easily been used up in one to three years given the size of Trump's business and the potential profitability. After that, Trump could have been paying hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes every year. We won't know unless he releases his returns.

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