Its not a "journey".

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Post by palerider » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:09 pm

Noctuary wrote:I do. But you'd be surprised how difficult it is, when you look into it.
it's always easier to complain endlessly than do ANYTHING...

I'm not suggesting WHAT you do, that's entirely up to you.... just get off your ass and quit the incessant eeyoring.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by yippeekia » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:12 pm

I would encourage you to reach out to a professional counselor or crisis line. Maybe a family member or someone else who can be a support system. I hear your frustration. It might be helpful to talk to someone who can provide perspective and assist you.

Wishing you the best.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by CaptainRaven40 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:14 pm

If you want to die and are suicidal call the suicide hot line 1-800-273-8255. That is a step towards help with that. You have to want to do for yourself though.

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Post by robysue » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:32 pm

CaptainRaven40 wrote:Right now it sounds like you are in the stages of giving up. You have to get past that and remember this is your health and you have to do what you have to for it to be better. If you want to die. Then die.
This is an unbelievably cruel thing to say to someone who has a member of this community for two years and has been working hard on trying to make this crazy therapy work.

Not everybody feels better right away. Not everybody feels better in a few months. A few unlucky souls do NOT ever feel substantially different after starting PAP therapy.

Sometimes we can figure out a reason. Sometimes the data looks good. The leaks are fine. The person sleeps with the PAP all night long, every single night. And the person still feels lousy. Every single day.

Nocturary has been PAPing for two years. And he still feels lousy every single day. And it's hard maintain a "good attitude" if you've been doing something for two years and still see no improvement in how you feel.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by FoggyFroggy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:49 pm

Please take care of yourself and reach out for assistance to pull you up and out of this, Noctuary. Depression is a very serious illness. Don't give up on yourself as YOU are worth the struggle and it can get better. You may not be able to see it right now, but it can!

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by CaptainRaven40 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:53 pm

robysue wrote:
CaptainRaven40 wrote:Right now it sounds like you are in the stages of giving up. You have to get past that and remember this is your health and you have to do what you have to for it to be better. If you want to die. Then die.
This is an unbelievably cruel thing to say to someone who has a member of this community for two years and has been working hard on trying to make this crazy therapy work.

Not everybody feels better right away. Not everybody feels better in a few months. A few unlucky souls do NOT ever feel substantially different after starting PAP therapy.

Sometimes we can figure out a reason. Sometimes the data looks good. The leaks are fine. The person sleeps with the PAP all night long, every single night. And the person still feels lousy. Every single day.

Nocturary has been PAPing for two years. And he still feels lousy every single day. And it's hard maintain a "good attitude" if you've been doing something for two years and still see no improvement in how you feel.
Also went on to give Nocturary the suicide hotline number in case they are serious about wanting to die. That's all I can really do for someone on the Internet. Give them a resource. If you think I was unbelievably cruel then that's fine. Sometimes people need sternness and not just coddling all the time. People have been harsh with me along this "journey" and it has made me a better person. Sorry if that offends you. But I am not here to be politically correct. I offered my thoughts just like others. Take them or leave them. Also I know what it feels like to be going through something for years and not feel better and see any improvement in sight. So while I see where you are coming from and you are always helpful and nice I also know what it is like to need more than encouraging words.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Sonnyboy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:14 pm

Hi Noctuary,

Listen to the members who are offering you encouragement and positive resources.
Like someone else has already said, ignore the grumps.

Call someone and get yourself some help.
I know you have pretty much ignored my suggestions in the past of antidepressants but I am going to suggest this again.
Give it a try. You need some help to get yourself back on your feet. Call your doctor.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Noctuary » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:23 pm

Listen to the members who are offering you encouragement and positive resources.
Like someone else has already said, ignore the grumps.
I am the grump.

Call someone and get yourself some help.
I know you have pretty much ignored my suggestions in the past of antidepressants but I am going to suggest this again.
Give it a try. You need some help to get yourself back on your feet. Call your doctor.
I don't need an antidepressant; there's nothing wrong with me other than I never feel rested. And I don't have a doctor anymore.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Sonnyboy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:32 pm

Re: Its not a "journey".

Yes it is a journey, you are on the wrong road, and it is time to turn this around.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:50 pm

The call is free. Talk to someone. Cry/cuss/groan if you need to.
Someone may be able to help you in ways we can not. Do it.

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Re: Its not a

Post by Noctuary » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:01 pm

palerider wrote:
Noctuary wrote:I do. But you'd be surprised how difficult it is, when you look into it.
it's always easier to complain endlessly than do ANYTHING...

I'm not suggesting WHAT you do, that's entirely up to you.... just get off your ass and quit the incessant eeyoring.
As if two years into this I've done nothing.

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Re: Its not a

Post by palerider » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:20 pm

Noctuary wrote:
palerider wrote:
Noctuary wrote:I do. But you'd be surprised how difficult it is, when you look into it.
it's always easier to complain endlessly than do ANYTHING...

I'm not suggesting WHAT you do, that's entirely up to you.... just get off your ass and quit the incessant eeyoring.
As if two years into this I've done nothing.
two years into this, and you're still complaining about the same things you were when you started.

though you did end up getting a non-brick, but that's the only improvement you've made.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Lucyhere » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:29 pm

robysue wrote:
palerider wrote:
Noctuary wrote:Its a forced march through jungles and deserts, leading to labor camps or a ravine.
and having a crappy attitude just makes it much worse.
Sometimes the crappy attitude is a result of slogging through a truly bad situation where it seems like the "light at the end of the tunnel" never materializes.

In my case, I did my best to "keep my chin up and stay positive." But at the same time, I was dealing with some very severe and nearly debilitating symptoms that started after I started CPAP. For the first 6 months of PAPing, I felt more tired and exhausted than I have ever felt in my entire life. I'd never been very sleepy during the daytime pre-CPAP; within 1 week of starting CPAP I was so sleep deprived from adjustment problems that I was scared to death of falling asleep while driving that I had to have my husband drive me everywhere. I was literally falling asleep while teaching mathematics standing at the board. Colleagues were asking me why I looked like death warmed over and I had to resign from several department and college committees because I just could not function. Yes my adjustment really was that bad. And at 3:00 and 4:00 AM when I was unable to get to sleep due to severe aerophagia and I was angry enough to scream bloody murder and throw the machine across the room, it was not possible to get rid of my "bad attitude" that this therapy really sucked and was ruining my life.

There are only two reasons I made it through those first six months of hell and the second six months of purgatory:

1) My husband: God bless him for putting up with my screaming, crying, temper tantrums at 3:30AM, driving me everywhere, and dealing with the phone tag with the sleep doc's office.

2) The kind folks here: Folks who let me whine when I needed to without making fun of me or accusing me of being a troll or telling me that I needed to just try harder. I was getting more than enough "Just Try Harder" from the PA in my first sleep doc's office at the time and I didn't need more of it from the folks here. I also got a lot of help from folks who continually gave me high quality suggestions to try when I described my sometimes bizarre sounding adjustment problems, and who didn't seem to mind when I would explain why their suggestions didn't work for me. And folks who told me just how lucky I was to have such a wonderful spouse who was willing to put up with all the crap I was dishing out at the time due to severe sleep deprivation. And folks who repeatedly simply tried to cheer me up on my worst days, sometimes with funny stories of their own difficult adjustments.

Robysue... I wish we could make your post a sticky. Of course so people having a really hard time can read it, but more for the people who constantly say to pull up your britches, quit your bad attitude, and move along. They are always the Same People and you can always count on them to say the same things they always say to people. I suppose there are people who respond to, "tough love", but the vast majority don't. It's so easy to say negative things to people on the internet, but why? What do they get out of it? Do they honestly think they are helping someone who is obviously distraught as a result of trying to make this therapy work, or whatever reason.

Fortunately, I got responses from people who encouraged me and didn't belittle me... even when I asked the same question a second time. And, one person stayed on the phone with me until I had Sleepyhead up and running! Just recently I was having a problem and PMed a person here; he answered my question without making me feel like a fool for asking it. He didn't find it necessary to tell me that my question had been asked and answered 23,000 times before. He just answered my question without making me feel awful about asking it.

I'll never understand why nasty, mean spirited people reside here!

PS Thank you for your post and for all your posts over the years. I hope Noctuary has had a chance to read it.
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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Noctuary » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:39 pm

two years into this, and you're still complaining about the same things you were when you started.

though you did end up getting a non-brick, but that's the only improvement you've made.
And then I shelled out more for a laptop to use sleepyhead, and switched to a full-face mask, then had blood work done, then tried Provigil, then experimented with moving the pressure up, down, EPR on, straight cpap, back to apap.............

Yeah, getting a non-brick was the only improvement I made.

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Re: Its not a "journey".

Post by Sonnyboy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:41 pm

Lucy,
This thread is for Noctuary and not a place for you to continue your ongoing battles with the people you choose not to like.

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