US healthcare the best?

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I think our health-care system is great!

I’m a Dem and I approve that statement.
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I’m a DEM and I can’t stop laughing.
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I’m a GOP and I believe that statement.
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I’m a GOP and I think that’s blasphemous.
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I’m an independent and I agree.
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I’m an independent -- where’s Nader?
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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by MrGrumpy » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:50 pm

I am NOT voting for that communist, "Bernie." Nor any other low life democratic scum. I am a militant anti-communist and anti-marxist.

I simply believe that there are some things where profit should not be a factor. For example, the prison system should NEVER be allowed to be run by private, for profit companies. Unfortunately, the prison system in the United States is heavily run by private, contracted, for profit companies. There is a financial incentive in the United States to charge people for crimes, convict them and put them in the for profit prison system. People are making money off of prisons and thats wrong.

I see the same thing going on with the American healthcare system. I see people making money off the system, while withholding needed medical care for the sick and the injured. Thats wrong. For example the health insurance industry...its a total financial conflict of interest.

I am actually for turning over the healthcare system to the churches, like hospitals and clinics used to be run. Nuns used to staff most hospitals, many many nurses were Nuns. I think it ought to be that way again. Take the profit out of healthcare and no I dont favor going to a UK style socialized medicine system, either.

What I favor is keeping the actual practicioners and the hospitals private. And turn it over the churches to run them and manage them and oversee the physicians. And to pay for it, I favor putting all Americans on Medicare. This way, the doctors and technicians who do the actual work in the hospitals and the clinics make a good living still, but the current corruption and anything goes free for all and the withholding of needed care is deep sixed.

I also favor maintaining as much medical care as possible OTC, where people can buy the needed medications cheaply without insurance. For example, I take Prilosec and use a nasal steroid spray regularly. These two medications used to be available only via prescription and if I paid out of pocket when they were available by prescription only, I had to pay hundreds of dollars for a months supply for each. Now, a months supply of OTC Prilosec costs me a mere $22 bucks at Wal-Mart, maybe $25 at Wal-Greens. And a months supply of the nasal steroid OTC that used to be prescription only, now costs me a mere $22 or $23 a month out of pocket.

Make as much stuff available OTC where you pay out of pocket, where people pay what the market forces work (supply and demand) and make it where people can pay for more of the needed stuff out of their pocket. For example in an earlier post I ask "why do I have to go to a physician to get a prescription to get a home sleep study test to diagnose sleep apnea?" I think a home sleep study diagnostic test should be available OTC at your local drugstore.

Things like that can all combine and drive down the price of medical care and actually get more people treated, I believe. Health insurance artificially inflates the cost of medical care, while withholding care oftentimes for those who desperately need medical care.
Tricky Wash wrote:
MrGrumpy wrote: getting rid of the for profit health insurance industry entirely would go a long, long, long way towards helping to fix the American health care system.
Vote for Bernie. Then come back in 10 years and tell us how socialism is working for you.
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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:00 pm

MrGrumpy wrote:I am NOT voting for that communist, "Bernie." Nor any other low life democratic scum. I am a militant anti-communist and anti-marxist.
But, it sure sounds like you're a "socialist" in the following quote......
MrGrumpy wrote:IMO, getting rid of the for profit health insurance industry entirely would go a long, long, long way towards helping to fix the American health care system. As would if more Americans stopped eating so much and were more willing to take some responsibility for their health. Its a two way street. You cant expect doctors and hospitals to work miracles on people who just plain dont care about themselves.

On the other hand, when Americans get sick and they DO care about themselves and are willing to change their ways, Americans should get access to quality health care, including quality specialist care and without being wealthy.

People laugh at me for saying it, but I still think the best approach is to go back to a fifties and before approach with primary care. Let people pay for primary care out of pocket, working it out with primary care doctors...cash only or credit and do payments over time old style. Let specialist care go to some form of single payer system thru the government. I favor keeping primary care in the private sector, but putting specialist care in the government system, if you cannot afford to pay for specialist care yourself, which is most people. I have my own ideas on healthcare.

I think letting the states regulate health insurance is one of the most evil things there ever was in American healthcare. The states cant regulate a do do bird.
Bons wrote: I'm not a fan of American health care right now.
Going back to the fifties could also have some negative effects. Lots of technological improvements and more knowledge has been gained since then. I honestly believe my mother would have lived much longer if it hadn't been for the mistakes that were made in her medical diagnosis and treatments back then.......for which the reasons and causes are now better known and more easily treated. Great strides have also been made since then in testing and diagnoses. Technology isn't "free".
Am I satisfied with how much the costs have gone up? NO! That was another downside of our government getting involved in the insurance and medical areas back in the 1960s. But, I keep reading that the countries with "socialized" medicine are having problems, too. Long waiting times for relatively simple procedures, etc.
There are times that I've thought that a "single payer" system could/should work, but with the track record of anything being run by a government (particularly in the U.S.), I have my doubts.
They could have remedied many of the problems we faced in the U.S. fairly easily without tearing the whole thing apart. But, then it was NEVER about "fixing" the healthcare or insurance industries.


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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Tricky Wash » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:14 pm

MrGrumpy wrote:I am NOT voting for that communist, "Bernie." Nor any other low life democratic scum. I am a militant anti-communist and anti-marxist.

I simply believe that there are some things where profit should not be a factor.
Surprise, you are a socialist or a muddled thinking Democrat or both.

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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Hang Fire » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:18 pm

Tricky Wash wrote:Surprise, you are a socialist or a muddled thinking Democrat or both.
If you read a half dozen of his other posts, you won't give him credited for anything besides
muddled thinking
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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:34 pm

Hang Fire wrote:
Tricky Wash wrote:Surprise, you are a socialist or a muddled thinking Democrat or both.
If you read a half dozen of his other posts, you won't give him credited for anything besides
muddled thinking
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MrGrumpy wrote: I am a militant
he's a militant muddled thinker.

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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:38 pm

Now, now, now........
Let's be a little nicer to "MrGrumpy".


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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:45 pm

Wulfman... wrote:Now, now, now........
Let's be a little nicer to "MrGrumpy".
hangfire is being much nicer than 'mrgrumpy' deserves. the odd thing is that his gallop into insanity is fairly recent, when he was posting in 2014, trying to flog his overpriced oximeter, his postings were rational.

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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:06 pm

palerider wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:Now, now, now........
Let's be a little nicer to "MrGrumpy".
hangfire is being much nicer than 'mrgrumpy' deserves. the odd thing is that his gallop into insanity is fairly recent, when he was posting in 2014, trying to flog his overpriced oximeter, his postings were rational.
Interestingly, one of his first posts was to this very thread.......

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29427&p=253440#p253440

But, he didn't resurrect it a few days ago. Someone called "stardust123" did. Now things have come full circle.

But, Eric (or Fred) was having a rough go of it back in 2008. So, I say cut him some slack and let him speak his mind.
That's what most of the rest of us do........


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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Goofproof » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:25 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
palerider wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:Now, now, now........
Let's be a little nicer to "MrGrumpy".
hangfire is being much nicer than 'mrgrumpy' deserves. the odd thing is that his gallop into insanity is fairly recent, when he was posting in 2014, trying to flog his overpriced oximeter, his postings were rational.
Interestingly, one of his first posts was to this very thread.......

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29427&p=253440#p253440

But, he didn't resurrect it a few days ago. Someone called "stardust123" did. Now things have come full circle.

But, Eric (or Fred) was having a rough go of it back in 2008. So, I say cut him some slack and let him speak his mind.
That's what most of the rest of us do........


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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:56 pm

MrGrumpy wrote:I am NOT voting for that communist, "Bernie." Nor any other low life democratic scum.
Therein lies your biggest problem!


However, I'm very concerned about your health. You might be interested in this:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/1 ... risk/?_r=0
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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:09 pm

Wulfman... wrote:But, Eric (or Fred) was having a rough go of it back in 2008. So, I say cut him some slack and let him speak his mind.
That's what most of the rest of us do........
your opinion is noted, and all I can do is suggest you go to the posts from this year, and read the vitriol and hatred that he's spewed towards many people.

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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Wulfman... » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:30 pm

palerider wrote:
Wulfman... wrote:But, Eric (or Fred) was having a rough go of it back in 2008. So, I say cut him some slack and let him speak his mind.
That's what most of the rest of us do........
your opinion is noted, and all I can do is suggest you go to the posts from this year, and read the vitriol and hatred that he's spewed towards many people.
Yeah, and back in 2008 it was a battle on the forum with "superjet" and Johnny had a mess to clean up.

As noted here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32449&p=276613&hili ... et#p276613


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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:54 pm

Wulfman... wrote:Yeah, and back in 2008 it was a battle on the forum with "superjet" and Johnny had a mess to clean up.

As noted here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32449&p=276613&hili ... et#p276613


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I don't remember reading that before and glad you reposted it here. I hope that the people who delete posts they don't agree with will take notice!
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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Sir NoddinOff » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:45 am

Pardon my english: For them's that's got, it's great... for them's that don't, not so much. Like a lot of things in life.

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Re: US healthcare the best?

Post by Jenk2k » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:40 pm

Tricky Wash wrote:
MrGrumpy wrote: getting rid of the for profit health insurance industry entirely would go a long, long, long way towards helping to fix the American health care system.
Vote for Bernie. Then come back in 10 years and tell us how socialism is working for you.

Humorous, but the fact is that the proof is that in strict healthcare terms Bernie's proposals work in almost every other developed country on the planet and are cheaper in terms of cost and out of pocket to the user. In some cases costs are half what they are here, per capita. That's not my opinion, that's a fact.

I'm not voting for Sanders. But on healthcare, I think he's more right than almost every other candidate on Healthcare.

The scary socialism fear stuff has no basis in reality, except in dictatorial regimes.

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