cpapdisco wrote:LinkC wrote:cpapdisco wrote:
I personally believe that a person's right to live in good health is irrelevant of their ability to pay for it.
A couple of questions:
1. Where is any such "right" stipulated?
2. Whom or what grants this "right"?
3. What makes it the Government's duty to defend this "right"?
4. Where do chronic or incurable diseases fit into this "right"? Shall we outlaw cancer because it infringes on a person's "right to good health"?
"Health" is outside human ability to provide, irregardless of cost.
"Health care" is s commodity which is bought and sold. Are you suggesting providers should give their time, talents and efforts for free?
Or that the government is somehow responsible for providing it? If so, how is that a function of the government?
Good questions, I will try and answer them:
1-3: Article 2, section 8 of the US Constitution:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States....
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;..."
This could be interpreted to defending the welfare of the US through the health of its citizens. This allows, if not requires the US Congress to do such. I understand that this is my interpretation and you may disagree.
I am not saying universal health care is only or best option, but we need to change something and the HC industry will not do it by themselves.
4: Chronic diseases are a horrible part of life and there is nothing you can do besides catch them early and do what you can within reason.
To be honest, I do not know the best solution to fix health care. I do know that intelligent discourse can lead to good ideas and countering opinions are good to hear. I think an answer is out there and we are an innovative country. We will find a way to provide the best health care to all our people in a way that does not burden the businesses and wealthy and does not encourage an entitlement mentality in the poor.
Please next time dont just site the preamble of the article, include which of the actual powers they list (that is not a do anything they want, they spelled out exactly what they meant within the powers
Here is the whole section.
Article 1
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
