How bad is snoring?

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How bad is snoring?

Post by Pesser » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:23 pm

Is snoring ignored by the pap medical service community? The machines react to snoring immediately at occurrence. But why is there so little literature on it? It seems that professionals think it’s OK if you snore badly without at high AHI (say AHI of 2.3). If you snored through 10 years of sleep would that not be a huge problem on your body? I’m looking for literature on it. It also seems that the cures for bad snoring a not effective; or at least not as good as CPAP. Why would CPAP not be the gold standard for snoring and recommended for it? I know the insurance companies would not fund it but who cares? With all the deductibles and paperwork it seems that a good CPAP brick would be good. At least better than leaving it untreated!

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by Bill44133 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:08 pm

Hello Pesser!

I hope your doing well.. Snoring is not healthy and should not be ignored...

I would recommend you take 15 minutes to review this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gie2dhqP2c

The video put the whole Sleep Disorder Breathing in perspective for me. I was able to show it to my family to help them understand what was happening with me.
It is my hope it will help you also!


I wish you well..

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:16 pm

Snoring is different from AHI but can lead to apnea event eventually. It is also destructive to relationships. There is more to sleep issues then OSA.

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by Pesser » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:00 pm

Bill44133 wrote:Hello Pesser!

I hope your doing well.. Snoring is not healthy and should not be ignored...

I would recommend you take 15 minutes to review this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gie2dhqP2c

The video put the whole Sleep Disorder Breathing in perspective for me. I was able to show it to my family to help them understand what was happening with me.
It is my hope it will help you also!


I wish you well..
Thank you....very helpful!

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Post by Tatooed Lady » Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:58 pm

Bill44133 wrote:
I would recommend you take 15 minutes to review this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gie2dhqP2c

The video put the whole Sleep Disorder Breathing in perspective for me. I was able to show it to my family to help them understand what was happening with me.
It is my hope it will help you also!


I wish you well..
Wow...that IS an eye opener.

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Post by SleepyToo2 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:09 pm

Interesting. I have seen it before, but have never noticed that my flow rate actually reverses the chair pattern seen here. I wonder what that means?

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by archangle » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:57 pm

If you're snoring, you're probably also having apneas between snores.

Snoring may be harmful in itself, but the biggest reason we mention snores is because it probably means your having apneas.

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by Pesser » Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:23 pm

Thankyou all for responding. There is, in its immediate, two things which bother me. Firstly, is there not a C02 consequence embedded in tissues after years of restricted air flow. Second if indeed it is all because of tissue strength reduction, how does one explain CPAP at work for a few days after its discontinuance? One cannot attribute this to placebo. One cannot snore for years, without apneas, and expect good health.

Some people go to great lengths to stop snoring; even surgery. Why not just CPAP?

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by avi123 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:47 am

The above YOU TUBE demonstration of Sleep Disorders Breathing, including snoring, is a Resmed Australian introduction kind. The following is a more medically oriented report about it:

http://www.medicinenet.com/snoring/article.htm

Covering:
{These are linked in the article}


Snoring facts
What is snoring?
How common is snoring?
What are the causes of snoring?
How do medications and alcohol affect snoring?
Why is snoring a problem?
What is the clinical importance of snoring?
What are different levels of snoring?
How should someone with snoring be evaluated?
How is it determined if snoring is a medical problem?
What are some objective tests to measure sleepiness?
What are the treatments for snoring?
What are some non-surgical treatments for snoring?
What are the surgical options for snoring?
What is the success of surgery for snoring?
Patient Comments: Snoring - Treatments
Patient Comments: Snoring - Experience
Patient Comments: Snoring - Causes
Find a local Sleep Specialist in your town

The following chapter (from above) covers:

How is it determined if snoring is a medical problem?


People who sleep (or lie awake not sleeping) near a snorer often report signs that may indicate a more serious problem. Witnessed apnea (stopping breathing) or gasping can suggest a breathing problem like sleep apnea (see below) or heart problems. Leg kicking or other jerking movements can indicate a problem such as periodic limb movement disorder or restless leg syndrome. Referral to a sleep specialist may be recommended if obstructive sleep apnea, restless leg syndrome, and periodic limb movement disorder are suspected. Multiple studies have shown that simple clinical evaluations cannot determine if a person only snores, or if he or she has a more significant sleep disturbance. Therefore, a sleep study is often needed to rule out obstructive sleep apnea prior to initiating any treatments.

If someone's sleep is disrupted because of snoring, the person may also notice other symptoms. Frequently, people complain of difficulty waking up in the morning or a feeling of insufficient sleep. They may take daytime naps or fall asleep during meetings. If sleep disruption is severe, people have fallen asleep while driving or performing their daily work.

Daytime sleepiness can be estimated with a sleepiness inventory, and a sleep study can be performed if a sleeping problem is suspected. There are two general types of sleep studies:

1.Home sleep study (portable sleep study)
2.Full sleep study (polysomnography in a laboratory with a technician)


For light kind of snoring a Chinstrap alone might suffice.

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by photonic » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:38 am

Bill44133 wrote:Hello Pesser!

I hope your doing well.. Snoring is not healthy and should not be ignored...

I would recommend you take 15 minutes to review this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gie2dhqP2c

The video put the whole Sleep Disorder Breathing in perspective for me. I was able to show it to my family to help them understand what was happening with me.
It is my hope it will help you also!


I wish you well..

wow! Terrific video. should be a "stickie" resource for the board; especially newbies
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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by Pesser » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:20 am

Avil123: Thank you, I will view your link after work…this is much appreciated!
Bill44133: Your link really should be part of the “table of contents” and should also be on CPAP.com website. I know it’s good advertising for Resmed, and in that contexts maybe unfair to other manufacturers; but the PR people can be asked to provide material as well.

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by Bill44133 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:34 pm

Pesser wrote:Avil123: Thank you, I will view your link after work…this is much appreciated!
Bill44133: Your link really should be part of the “table of contents” and should also be on CPAP.com website. I know it’s good advertising for Resmed, and in that contexts maybe unfair to other manufacturers; but the PR people can be asked to provide material as well.
I agree it should be required viewing for this website.

Some one mentioned that Respironics has a version just like it. Resmed used to have it on their website but the link I had
does not work any more. I found it on youtube. I am hoping it stays.

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Post by Pesser » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:38 pm

Bill44133 wrote:
Pesser wrote:Avil123: Thank you, I will view your link after work…this is much appreciated!
Bill44133: Your link really should be part of the “table of contents” and should also be on CPAP.com website. I know it’s good advertising for Resmed, and in that contexts maybe unfair to other manufacturers; but the PR people can be asked to provide material as well.
I agree it should be required viewing for this website.

Some one mentioned that Respironics has a version just like it. Resmed used to have it on their website but the link I had
does not work any more. I found it on youtube. I am hoping it stays.
Is there a way of extracting it and putting it on the C drive? It has to first go to the temp folder. I'm going to try that! Thanks again for the link!

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Re: How bad is snoring?

Post by BleepingBeauty » Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:04 am

Pesser wrote:Is snoring ignored by the pap medical service community?
FWIW, I mentioned the snore in my data to my new sleep doc (it's almost always more snore than I'd like to see). His question to me was, "Does it wake you or interfere with your sleep?" My answer was no (and my pets don't complain about it ). Since the rest of my data looks great and the snoring is not interfering with my therapy, he said not to worry about it. So I don't.
archangle wrote:If you're snoring, you're probably also having apneas between snores.

Snoring may be harmful in itself, but the biggest reason we mention snores is because it probably means your having apneas.
Not necessarily. I *don't* have apneas with my snores. My AHI is usually under 1, regardless of how much snoring I'm apparently doing. I sleep really well (on my back, btw), snores be damned. heh
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