ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by The Latinist » Fri May 16, 2014 5:59 am

Man, that's ugly, Benny. And it sure doesn't look like OSA. Since this seems to happen to you only sporadically, can you draw any correlations with anything else (sleep hygiene, medication, stress, etc.)?

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Bennnyp » Fri May 16, 2014 6:07 am

Man, that's ugly, Benny. And it sure doesn't look like OSA. Since this seems to happen to you only sporadically, can you draw any correlations with anything else (sleep hygiene, medication, stress, etc.)?

I know. I get these about every 3 days. Nothing different. No alchohol, no nicotine, no caffine, nothing different. I am posting on this thread beacause I am currently on a bipap
and will be switching to an asv soon. So I can post later with my results from the asv, and then compare between the 2. Isn't what this post relates to?

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by The Latinist » Fri May 16, 2014 6:20 am

Bennnyp wrote:I am posting on this thread beacause I am currently on a bipap and will be switching to an asv soon. So I can post later with my results from the asv, and then compare between the 2. Isn't what this post relates to?
Some people get very possessive of threads they start and object when conversations naturally evolve. In Todzo's case, I think he's upset that we haven't all immediately switched to straight CPAP with soda bottles attached to our hoses or whatever. I wouldn't pay it much mind.

I will be very interested to see your results on ASV. Hope it works out for you!

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Post by Sludge » Fri May 16, 2014 6:41 am

Bennnyp wrote:Isn't what this post relates to?
Absolutely, see above noting renamed thread.
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Re: Bennnyp's Thread

Post by Sludge » Fri May 16, 2014 6:46 am

BTW I think this last D/L deserves breath-by-breath analysis. Can you upload that file somewhere (Dropbox, etc.)? Use all the files from the SD card.
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Post by jnk » Fri May 16, 2014 6:49 am

Sludge wrote:BTW I think this last D/L deserves breath-by-breath analysis. Can you upload that file somewhere (Dropbox, etc.)? Use all the files from the SD card.
Should "Muffinalysis" be renamed the "Sludgometer"?

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Sludge » Fri May 16, 2014 7:08 am

Well, Muffinalysis refers to the FFT program, and we can certainly run it through there. However, yeah, best to throw it in the Sludgomatic first.
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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Bennnyp » Fri May 16, 2014 7:12 am

I will have to figure out how to do that.

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Todzo » Fri May 16, 2014 8:26 pm

Bennnyp wrote:...yet another sleepyhead chart showing many centrals...
Well I do hope you are enabled to become the winner someday.

However.

The machines they produce these days...
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Post by Sludge » Sat May 17, 2014 3:00 am

Bennnyp wrote:I will have to figure out how to do that.
  • Get an SD Card Reader (~10 bucks).
  • Take SD card from machine, shove in card reader, shove CR into USB port on computer.
  • Open account with 3rd party depository (Google Docs, Dropbox, etc).
  • Upload the following files from SD card (basically all of them) to depository:
    • DATALOG
    • SETTINGS
    • Identification.tgt
    • Identification.crc
    • STR.edf
    • STR.crc
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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Todzo » Sat May 17, 2014 3:03 am

amazing
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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Todzo » Sat May 17, 2014 3:05 am

The Citation:

Morgenthaler TI, Kuzniar TJ, Wolfe LF, Willes L, McLain WC, Goldberg R. The complex sleep apnea resolution study: a prospective randomized controlled trial of continuous positive airway pressure versus adaptive servoventilation therapy. SLEEP 2014;37(5):927-934 Related article (commentary):833

Things noted while reading the article:

With Complex Sleep Apnea (CompSAS) they seem to be happy to get the AHI below ten (rather than five).

In the study pressures above 15 cm/H2O were excluded (usability?).

In both the ASV and CPAP arms each lost 36% because the participants did not use the machines enough during the three month study. With additional losses (drop outs – 6% on the ASV arm and 3% on the CPAP arm) only 54% completed the study to become part of the “evaluable participants”.

WOW only 54% at three months used the machine enough to be considerd evaluable.
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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Bennnyp » Sat May 17, 2014 4:37 am

http://s743.photobucket.com/user/Bennny ... 4.jpg.html

Fist night on my asv machine. And the winner is?

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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by Todzo » Sat May 17, 2014 4:53 am

Bennnyp wrote:...sleepyhead charts showing unstable breathing without ahi...

Fist night on my asv machine. And the winner is?
Yup they reduce centrals.

I just wish those in the study showed improvement in Quality Of Life.

And more improvement in daytime sleepiness.

But I am glad that there is less potentially brain damaging hypocapnic central apnea going on. That is good!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: ASV vs CPAP - and the winner is...

Post by The Latinist » Sat May 17, 2014 5:17 am

Bennnyp wrote:http://s743.photobucket.com/user/Bennny ... 4.jpg.html

Fist night on my asv machine. And the winner is?
Damn, that's an awesome improvement. Keep up posted on future nights.

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