s9 Elite vs Autoset

ironhands · Post by **ironhands** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:06 am

So next week I'll be getting my titration results and finally (most likely) picking up my machine. Wow, it's almost been a year since I started this.

With the upcoming changes to the government assistance program, it turns out that an APAP will now be $5 less out of pocket ($255) than a regular CPAP would be right now ($260), while a CPAP will now only be $215.

I'm wondering, since the APAP cost will now be $150 less, if it's worthwhile asking the doc to write me a script for an APAP specifically, instead of just the S9 Elite I've been planning on.

Is there any reason not to, that I've overlooked? I've been using the S9 autoset for my trial the past few weeks and it hasn't given me any problems. Is a doctor likely to rx an auto if a person asks?

Thanks!

nanwilson · Post by **nanwilson** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:22 am

Elite.. straight cpap only
Autoset.. auto and can be set on straight cpap if desired.

Therefore, in my humble opinion the autoset would be the best choice since it will run in both modes. You can switch up any time you feel like it with the autoset, while you cannot with the elite.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:30 am

With the Autoset, you can use whichever mode is the most comfortable/efficacious for you.
You can also use the Auto feature from time to time to confirm your treatment pressures.
This is especially useful if your weight changes (up or down) over 30 pounds,
---instead of spending another night of mi$ery at the $leep lab.

knothead · Post by **knothead** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:32 am

nanwilson wrote:Elite.. straight cpap only
Autoset.. auto and can be set on straight cpap if desired.

Therefore, in my humble opinion the autoset would be the best choice since it will run in both modes. You can switch up any time you feel like it with the autoset, while you cannot with the elite.

My feelings exactly...go for the Auto.

ironhands · Post by **ironhands** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:35 am

no features the elite offers that aren't in the auto?

LSAT · Post by **LSAT** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:41 am

Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.

Jay Aitchsee · Post by **Jay Aitchsee** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:51 am

Yes, go for the AutoSet, but be wary of the Escape Auto. The Escape Auto, while an autopap machine, does not have the data handling capability of the Elite or the AutoSet. Likewise, shun the plain S9 Escape. These two machines, Escape Auto and Escape, are commonly referred to on the forum as "bricks" due to their lack of features.
S9 devices: http://www.resmed.com/us/products/devic ... nc=dealers
Jay

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:05 pm

ironhands wrote:no features the elite offers that aren't in the auto?

None at all.
The AutoSet has every feature the Elite has and then more on top of those.

guscollis · Post by **guscollis** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:17 pm

knothead wrote:
nanwilson wrote:Elite.. straight cpap only
Autoset.. auto and can be set on straight cpap if desired.

Therefore, in my humble opinion the autoset would be the best choice since it will run in both modes. You can switch up any time you feel like it with the autoset, while you cannot with the elite.
My feelings exactly...go for the Auto.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:31 pm

LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.

the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.

robysue · Post by **robysue** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:43 pm

palerider wrote:
LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.
the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.

For an ordinary PAPer who has a script that simply says "CPAP at n cm", the prescribed machine must be billed under HCPC code E0601 for a DME to get paid. And for the E0601 machines, S9 AutoSet is indeed the top of the line model in the Resmed family.

The VPAPs and the VPAP Adapts (and even rarer) machines all require a different prescription than that required for the S9 machines that can be billed under HCPC code E0601. The only S9 machines that can be billed under E0601 are the S9 Escape, the S9 Escape Auto, the S9 Elite, and the S9 AutoSet.

Stevoreno_55 · Post by **Stevoreno_55** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:56 pm

robysue wrote:
palerider wrote:
LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.
the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.
For an ordinary PAPer who has a script that simply says "CPAP at n cm", the prescribed machine must be billed under HCPC code E0601 for a DME to get paid. And for the E0601 machines, S9 AutoSet is indeed the top of the line model in the Resmed family.

The VPAPs and the VPAP Adapts (and even rarer) machines all require a different prescription than that required for the S9 machines that can be billed under HCPC code E0601. The only S9 machines that can be billed under E0601 are the S9 Escape, the S9 Escape Auto, the S9 Elite, and the S9 AutoSet.

What's the billable code for BIPAP?

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:50 pm

robysue wrote:
palerider wrote:
LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.
the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.
For an ordinary PAPer who has a script that simply says "CPAP at n cm", the prescribed machine must be billed under HCPC code E0601 for a DME to get paid. And for the E0601 machines, S9 AutoSet is indeed the top of the line model in the Resmed family.

The VPAPs and the VPAP Adapts (and even rarer) machines all require a different prescription than that required for the S9 machines that can be billed under HCPC code E0601. The only S9 machines that can be billed under E0601 are the S9 Escape, the S9 Escape Auto, the S9 Elite, and the S9 AutoSet.

accurate, as usual, robysue.

robysue · Post by **robysue** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:49 pm

Stevoreno_55 wrote:
robysue wrote:
palerider wrote:
LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.
the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.
For an ordinary PAPer who has a script that simply says "CPAP at n cm", the prescribed machine must be billed under HCPC code E0601 for a DME to get paid. And for the E0601 machines, S9 AutoSet is indeed the top of the line model in the Resmed family.

The VPAPs and the VPAP Adapts (and even rarer) machines all require a different prescription than that required for the S9 machines that can be billed under HCPC code E0601. The only S9 machines that can be billed under E0601 are the S9 Escape, the S9 Escape Auto, the S9 Elite, and the S9 AutoSet.
What's the billable code for BIPAP?

A quick google search led to this link: https://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Educat ... 905064.pdf

According to this document, the HCPC code for bi-levels without back up rates is: E0470

"Bi-level without back-up" includes the PR System One BiPAP Pro, the PR System One BiPAP Auto, the Resmed S9 VPAP S, and the Resmed VPAP Auto.

Stevoreno_55 · Post by **Stevoreno_55** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:15 am

robysue wrote:
Stevoreno_55 wrote:
robysue wrote:
palerider wrote:
LSAT wrote:Autoset is TOP OF THE LINE...normally MORE expensive than the Elite.
the autoset is far from the top of the line, and very far from the most expensive.
For an ordinary PAPer who has a script that simply says "CPAP at n cm", the prescribed machine must be billed under HCPC code E0601 for a DME to get paid. And for the E0601 machines, S9 AutoSet is indeed the top of the line model in the Resmed family.

The VPAPs and the VPAP Adapts (and even rarer) machines all require a different prescription than that required for the S9 machines that can be billed under HCPC code E0601. The only S9 machines that can be billed under E0601 are the S9 Escape, the S9 Escape Auto, the S9 Elite, and the S9 AutoSet.
What's the billable code for BIPAP?
A quick google search led to this link: https://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Educat ... 905064.pdf

According to this document, the HCPC code for bi-levels without back up rates is: E0470

"Bi-level without back-up" includes the PR System One BiPAP Pro, the PR System One BiPAP Auto, the Resmed S9 VPAP S, and the Resmed VPAP Auto.

What do you mean by the phrase "back up rates"?

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